Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Absolutely not. This is pure sentimentalism and has no support from Christ and therefore, no support from scripture. She had nothing to do with His diety, or as some say, divinity. This is the last I will even respond to this idiotic, mystical, sentimental ERROR. Jesus is Lord; worship and "venerate" Him ALONE !!
Indeed. Thank you, a very good example of prayer, but then again, look at the source. I was paying attention in Church yesterday and after the intentions for the world, the sick and suffering, the dead; the priest closes in the same vein by asking that these prayers be fulfilled according to the father's will.
So we recognize that the Father's will will prevail. Of what use is it then to have a congregation pray, for example, for our country to have wise leaders who will uphold the sanctity of life, when we know that that doesn't seem to be the case?
Is the articulation of our needs of any benefit to God, who knows what we need, or is it to build the community?
SD
Present and accounted for Hopeful. Nice to see you again.
Nothing? Would you like to rephrase that? Where was His divinty when He was in the womb?
SD
Thank you for this, Becky. Yours truly, Hopefulpilgrim
If I exercised my free will to disobey God and did what I pleased then I obviously had never really had a faith in God to begin with. God would throw me into hell. Again, because of my free will choices.
Now how is God violating my free will?
This whole thing is so utterly ridiculous to debate I feel dumb even being sucked into it.
I do believe you think we will be taken at death in our physical bodies, and God will gag at our humanness, and demand it be purged out of us, and that is so outrageous I can't believe that someone who is a Christian could reason such a thing.
Think about your own sin, or what you consider your weaknesses, and then ask your self, what makes me want to do these things?
In my case I would say that all of my sin throughout my life, has been caused by my need to please my physical body. indulgences such as taste, sexual, power, money, respect, and on and on, are all caused by our physical human earthly body that wants all the pleasures the world has to offer.
When we are quickened and become spirit, our human bodies will be no more, and we will have glorified bodies that have no original sin, and that being said, why do we need these physical bodies clensed if they are discarded and exist no more and a spirit body can not be cleansed by fire.
1 Cor 15:35 But some one will say, How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do they come?
V-15 Thou foolish one, that which thou thyself sowest is not quickened except it die:
1 Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
V-43 it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
V-44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1Cor 13:3 And if I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
The Kingdom of God is where God's reign is acknowledged by all. It is found at the moment (guess where?) in the Church which is the kernal of the Kingdom, its presence in the world. The Kingdom, like the Church, is in the world, but not of the world. Since the Incarnation God has been drawing a people to himself, building up His very Kingdom. At some point in history those who are without the Kingdom will be cast away and all that will be is the Kingdom.
2) How does the Christian concept of asceticism differ from that of Gnosticism?
On a Monday morning you ask this? This is a little over my head I would have to look up exactly what is meant by either. Can you narrow this down?
SD
Thank you for this, Becky. Yours truly, Hopefulpilgrim
Are you telling me you subscribe to the "God doesn't want us to ask about certain things" school of thought?
SD
Thank you, Steven. I think.
What were there back in the good old days ... 3, maybe 4 teams? ;o)
It's working so far. How many runs have the Yanks been able to score? Uh ... yeah.
God gags at our sin, our uncleanliness, not at our humanness. It's funny that you equate the two.
Think about your own sin, or what you consider your weaknesses, and then ask your self, what makes me want to do these things?
In my case I would say that all of my sin throughout my life, has been caused by my need to please my physical body. indulgences such as taste, sexual, power, money, respect, and on and on, are all caused by our physical human earthly body that wants all the pleasures the world has to offer.
When we are quickened and become spirit, our human bodies will be no more, and we will have glorified bodies that have no original sin, and that being said, why do we need these physical bodies clensed if they are discarded and exist no more and a spirit body can not be cleansed by fire.
I guess we have to stop talking about this now. Your views are remarkably gnostic, in placing the source and responsibility for all of our sins in our human bodies. You seem to be saying that only if God had made us only spirit beings then we would not have sin. Then we would be like the angels. Except we forget about Lucifer and the fallen angels. They had no body yet they still had a desire to rule.
These discussions may not convince anyone, but they sure do serve to illuminate our differences. For the record it is our souls which require cleansing in Purgatory, they do not require merely to be separated from our "evil" bodies to be clean.
Pure human souls trapped inside of dirty evil matter, filthy bodies. Is this a common belief among the non-Catholics here? That absent from our bodies we are clean?
SD
asceticism differ from that of Gnosticism?,/P>
In practice probably not much. But is justification the diference is that gnostics believe flesh is evil in and of itself and only through discipline and denial can one gain knowledge. The ascetics does not hold flesh evil and uses discipling to focus the mind (as a tool) to better understand truth without physical needs or distractions getting in the way.
Yo east. Last time I checked when starters go the entire 9 innings there's no relief needed.
Yes it does. Have you any ideas about whether it is possible to change God's mind? It seems like Abraham was about to change God's mind about Sodom, when God decided it would be easier to jsut let the few good people leave. Remember that whole sequence when Abraham was "negotiating" with God? What if there are 1000 good men? 100? 10?
SD
1 Timothy 4
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
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