Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
If this is true, you have found a new home, I feel the same way about myself, I have never been brainwashed in anyone’s doctrine, and therefore I have never had firm beliefs on subjects others feel important to them, but after all these months in the threads, I am seeing certain questionable beliefs become firm, and some I thought were firm seem to fade away.
Who knows, maybe we are all here to really find out what we firmly believe in.
It seems that if we believe in the Bible only as the source for all our beliefs, we have a new respect for it, while those who don't put a lot of emphasis on the Bible, seem to be drifting even farther from it, and even making fun of those who believe it, or even what we claim as the works of the Holy Spirit, and they are even becoming more dependant on tradition.
I think it is a repeat of the "counter revolution" that the Catholic Church used during the Protestant reformation, when they locked onto all the things they knew the revolutionary's were already upset over, and rubbed it in their face in a belligerent act of disgust for them.
It seems that the Catholics we talk to on the threads are becoming even more dependant on their traditions and the many additional sacraments and new ordinances they created, and are using it as an in your face attitude, like when they post "Pray for pope John II", because they know even we Protestants don't care to go after him because he is so old, and know he is simply a figure head, and not anyone to take as a threat, sorta like mother Theresa.
Soothing Dave paste us things like the "Dear Mr.Buckley" article that as an educated man, he has to agree with it, but as a Catholic, he totally disregards it because if he admitted it made a true comparison to Mt 1:25's verse using "till", it throws out the whole belief system of the Catholic Church.
The RCC is a giant house of cards, and not one of them dare be moved or the whole house collapses.
I thought Bingo was the eighth Sacrament. :>)
No no, you are both wrong, my Mom's delicious Tunacasserole is! yummy... oh Friday abstinence isn't easy, but I manage :).
Hope the boss doesn't check the internet usage logs on the server?
-ksen
If there is no Hell then why did Christ preach about it so much? Was He mistaken? Or just delusional?
-ksen
Why then wouldn't you answer yes or no on my question earlier, on, "do you believe God already knows if you will be in his kingdom or not", when you seem to answer it right here?
I was under the impression that the pope made a statement on this subject with in the last year or two, on "is Satan real & is there a literal Hell?" Who remembers what he said ?
If this is true, you have found a new home, I feel the same way about myself, I have never been brainwashed in anyone’s doctrine, and therefore I have never had firm beliefs on subjects others feel important to them, but after all these months in the threads, I am seeing certain questionable beliefs become firm, and some I thought were firm seem to fade away.
Who knows, maybe we are all here to really find out what we firmly believe in.
It seems that if we believe in the Bible only as the source for all our beliefs, we have a new respect for it, while those who don't put a lot of emphasis on the Bible, seem to be drifting even farther from it, and even making fun of those who believe it, or even what we claim as the works of the Holy Spirit, and they are even becoming more dependant on tradition.
I think it is a repeat of the "counter revolution" that the Catholic Church used during the Protestant reformation, when they locked onto all the things they knew the revolutionary's were already upset over, and rubbed it in their face in a belligerent act of disgust for them.
It seems that the Catholics we talk to on the threads are becoming even more dependant on their traditions and the many additional sacraments and new ordinances they created, and are using it as an in your face attitude, like when they post "Pray for pope John II", because they know even we Protestants don't care to go after him because he is so old, and know he is simply a figure head, and not anyone to take as a threat, sorta like mother Theresa.
Soothing Dave paste us things like the "Dear Mr.Buckley" article that as an educated man, he has to agree with it, but as a Catholic, he totally disregards it because if he admitted it made a true comparison to Mt 1:25's verse using "till", it throws out the whole belief system of the Catholic Church.
The RCC is a giant house of cards, and not one of them dare be moved or the whole house collapses.
-ksen
Once he was speaking of gehenna which was a garbage dump where criminals bodies were disposed of. Was that the hell you had in mind?
No hell? Do you have biblical proof of this?
And being a loose cannon translating scripture on your own is better? I present vmatt's claim that there is no hell as evidence.
Everything is so personal isn't it? Don't you think that the Protestant Reformers might have had a little belligerance and disgust of their own? The Counter Reformation was to re-affirm the tenets of the faith that the Protestants felt free to discard. How the Protestant's "felt" about the Church re-affirming her teaching is largely beside the point. They left.
It seems that the Catholics we talk to on the threads are becoming even more dependant on their traditions and the many additional sacraments and new ordinances they created, and are using it as an in your face attitude, like when they post "Pray for pope John II", because they know even we Protestants don't care to go after him because he is so old, and know he is simply a figure head, and not anyone to take as a threat, sorta like mother Theresa.
I don't have an attitude except when it comes to certain unteachable people who repeat lies over and over. For everyone else I cheerfully explain the same concepts over and over. I am trying to get other folks to see what we truly teach. That's all.
I don't think that "Pray for JP II" is intended as an insult. I don't know why it would be considered one, though I have seen it used for snide comments. And by the way there were a series of Soviet leaders who didn't consider the Pope a threat either. Just a harmless old man.
Soothing Dave paste us things like the "Dear Mr.Buckley" article that as an educated man, he has to agree with it, but as a Catholic, he totally disregards it because if he admitted it made a true comparison to Mt 1:25's verse using "till", it throws out the whole belief system of the Catholic Church.
I show them because I think it is interesting when things we talk about appear in other places. The common understanding of what English words mean right now in modern usage has absolutely no bearing on what Scripture means. That is my point, that it is ridiculous to read ancient texts, and even old translations of ancient texts as if the were written in modern English.
The RCC is a giant house of cards, and not one of them dare be moved or the whole house collapses.
I'm still waiting for any of the critics of the Catholic Church to display any actual understanding of what she teaches.
SD
Is it offensive when someone asks for prayers for someone else? Personally, I have no problem with it ... even if someone said "Pray for Bill Clinton" I wouldn't be offended. Lord knows he needs it. ;o)
If I recall correctly (hard to keep up sometimes) it was in the context of a vote. I didn't feel comfortable voting on something biblically related. I have no problem answering a question or having someone deduce from what I have said the obvious answer.
If mine does that, I'm a gonner. Maybe I get a reprieve since I'm a web designer?
If hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue, then "annulment" is the hypocrisy that we pay to upholding the sanctity of marriage. There is a vast difference between holding up a high standard and showing some mercy on folks who get lost along the way, and abandoning your standards altogether.
Like birth control. Lots of Catholics do it, but they still know that they are doing something wrong. Protestants have all caved.
SD
Becky
So you are pure?
SD
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