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I think it is a repeat of the "counter revolution" that the Catholic Church used during the Protestant reformation, when they locked onto all the things they knew the revolutionary's were already upset over, and rubbed it in their face in a belligerent act of disgust for them.

Everything is so personal isn't it? Don't you think that the Protestant Reformers might have had a little belligerance and disgust of their own? The Counter Reformation was to re-affirm the tenets of the faith that the Protestants felt free to discard. How the Protestant's "felt" about the Church re-affirming her teaching is largely beside the point. They left.

It seems that the Catholics we talk to on the threads are becoming even more dependant on their traditions and the many additional sacraments and new ordinances they created, and are using it as an in your face attitude, like when they post "Pray for pope John II", because they know even we Protestants don't care to go after him because he is so old, and know he is simply a figure head, and not anyone to take as a threat, sorta like mother Theresa.

I don't have an attitude except when it comes to certain unteachable people who repeat lies over and over. For everyone else I cheerfully explain the same concepts over and over. I am trying to get other folks to see what we truly teach. That's all.

I don't think that "Pray for JP II" is intended as an insult. I don't know why it would be considered one, though I have seen it used for snide comments. And by the way there were a series of Soviet leaders who didn't consider the Pope a threat either. Just a harmless old man.

Soothing Dave paste us things like the "Dear Mr.Buckley" article that as an educated man, he has to agree with it, but as a Catholic, he totally disregards it because if he admitted it made a true comparison to Mt 1:25's verse using "till", it throws out the whole belief system of the Catholic Church.

I show them because I think it is interesting when things we talk about appear in other places. The common understanding of what English words mean right now in modern usage has absolutely no bearing on what Scripture means. That is my point, that it is ridiculous to read ancient texts, and even old translations of ancient texts as if the were written in modern English.

The RCC is a giant house of cards, and not one of them dare be moved or the whole house collapses.

I'm still waiting for any of the critics of the Catholic Church to display any actual understanding of what she teaches.

SD

I have no understanding of what she teaches, as the 12 years I spent in catholic school show. They don't even have understanding of what they teach. You all say that what I was taught was all wrong, but if you talk to the average catholic out there they pretty much will tell you they believe what I was taught is right. I have done it, that's the way it is.

Becky

I don't think that "Pray for JP II" is intended as an insult. I don't know why it would be considered one, though I have seen it used for snide comments. And by the way there were a series of Soviet leaders who didn't consider the Pope a threat either. Just a harmless old man.

When I was in Public High School we prayed the "Our Father" before class each morning. When we reached "and deliver us from evil" we (about 1/2 the class) would shout AMEN!!! Were we insulting the Protestants who were attempting to finish their ending "for Thine is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory Forever, Amen"?

Of course, the use of bold and exaggerated text has no message. Don't be naive or worse. You know very well the diffefence between a SHOUT and a simple request.