The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[IMRight]

Mine are 6mo & 17mo. You're telling me it gets harder? :-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I understand what the catholics think it means. That the church can make up rules. Ok, fine lets say that that is what it means. But what happens when those rules change?

Becky

[Havoc]

God has a list of things we shouldn't do. They are called Commandments. I realize you probably don't think they apply to you because you are "saved," but most Christians try to adhere to them. Are they doing this as a "work"? Isn't God "forcing" us to follow them under threat of eternal punishment?

The fullfillment of the Commandments is Obedience to God. If it's work for you to be obedient, then you can call it work. If you want to play word games, then no, it isn't. Obedience is required for fullfillment of promise. If you can't be obedient, you have no promise. Simple as that. But, then, you need the word games to confuse terminology in order to make the statements harder to follow.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Only if you keep changing rules on them:) Stay consistent, mean what you say and say what you mean. And DON'T spare the rod:)

Mine are 24 yrs, and 21 yrs. and have been the greatest joy of my life and what I am most proud of:)

Becky

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Obviously, neither of you understands any of it,

Thats' not right.

nor do you care to.

That's right.

[malakhi]

In fact Jesus taught that fasting was a free choice thing and should be done with no show, quietly, secertly so as not to draw attention to the act.

Yes, but Jesus knew their sin was the love of food, and had to say this to him to show them their sin. It isn't really meant to apply to modern Christians.

[hopefulpilgrim]

Why is it so important to you that we affirm, like you, that Mary is the "mother of God"?...Why is it not enough for you or the R Catholic church for us to say JESUS is GOD?

We want you to affirm it because it is true and because it will be one instance in which we can agree....

But what about my second question: Why is it not enough for you...(etc)?

[malakhi]

I wasn't aware the RSV, Catholic edition differed from the RSV except it also had the Apocrypha. I found references in GOOGLE to a 1966 RSV Catholic Edition but could find no online editions. (For free, that is.) Since I have no intention of purchasing one, could you point to an online source?

Here's one: http://www.hti.umich.edu/r/rsv/

If you go to "Browse the Bible", you can select individual books. The Apocrypha are listed at the bottom. I think they have a few things here that are not even in the Catholic Bible as well.

[IMRight]

Only if you keep changing rules on them:) Stay consistent, mean what you say and say what you mean. And DON'T spare the rod:)

Mine are 24 yrs, and 21 yrs. and have been the greatest joy of my life and what I am most proud of:)

Becky

We agree (that's my wife and I, not the "royal 'we'"). Also - pray. Alot. Alot alot. (I know you knew this too, I'm reminding myself). We ought to start a day where we post pictures of our kids to show off God's design (not as a competion "OK, the Catholic kids are cuter... they must be right"). You guys with adult children would get special dispensation (ask a Catholic) to post older pictures or pictures of grandchildren depending on where the Spirit leads you :)

[IMRight]

It isn't really meant to apply to modern Christians.

We should always pause before assuming that something "doesn't apply" to modern anything.

[malakhi]

ANGELO !! ha ha. Actually, I started to order the statements that way last night when I wrote them, I thought of you, and changed it!!!

LOL! I don't miss much on these threads. ;o)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Uhhh... I disagree. Matt.6:16-18 Jesus knew they were fasting to get attention and rewards from people. He did not say fasting was right or wrong, just that it should be done for no EARTHLY gain.

Unless you are looking at a different scripture this is what I was referring to?

Becky

[malakhi]

Are you familiar with cats?

Well, maybe not as much as Havoc is... ;o)

But yes, I have three cats, and I know what you mean.

[Havoc]

"Whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven,"

I think it was Angelo that pointed out "Binding and Loosing" was a matter of interpretation of the law. Interpretation does not include creating new law, it means understanding and applying what's there - fleshing it out. The RCC has created it's own definition of that term too.

[OLD REGGIE]

When I was a child, I didn't have a choice as to what time I went to bed. Do/did you have kids? Do/did they have a choice as to whether or not to go to church? Children have to do a lot of things their parents decide for them.

Do I remember you saying you were brought up Catholic? I was, and I remember being frightened of going to Hell if I committed various and sundry "sins". It wasn't my folks who frightened me. It was the Church. A potential paddle on the bum is not quite as frightening as Hellfire. (I can still remember some of the very colorful pictures.)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

After I posted that reply, I was wishing I had mentioned that I give every bit of credit to God for the way my children have grown up. They are so much better people then their father and I, I have no clue how they could be mine except by God's grace. (I think I'm going to cry:) HeHeHe, snif.

Becky

[JHavard]

I didn't even have to type a whole page response. But if I did, the theme would be amazement that you would believe "obey the authority that is placed over as that authority comes from God" must refer only to temporal human authorities and assume that there can be no authority within any church.

I thought I covered this by saying, you agree to these authorities when you join a Church on your own free will, re-read the post.

Of course the Spirit guides this process, but He appears to be guiding you in all diferent directions (methinks He has a sense of humor?)

He certainly does, and that may be one of the things he likes about us.

Just as the fruits of the Holy Spirit are manifested in hundreds of different ways from Acts to Reverations, so we show that same Spirit in our diversities.

Tell me, which of the 12 apostles and Paul, James, Jude or Mark were alike?

Please show me scripture where it says that the proof of the Holy Spirit is that we will all speak as one, and be identical. (^g^)

[Pelayo]

Close enough?

A question for you: Why do you suppose Mary "did not understand the saying which he spoke to them"?

Luke 2:51 And he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart.

Luke 2:8 And in that region there were shepherds out in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with fear. 10 And the angel said to them, "Be not afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which will come to all the people; 11 for to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. 12 And this will be a sign for you: you will find a babe wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger." 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, 14 "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men with whom he is pleased!" 15 When the angels went away from them into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, "Let us go over to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has made known to us." 16 And they went with haste, and found Mary and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. 17 And when they saw it they made known the saying which had been told them concerning this child; 18 and all who heard it wondered at what the shepherds told them. 19 But Mary kept all these things, pondering them in her heart. 20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had heard and seen, as it had been told them. RSV

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

How does this answer the question? Are the people who ate meat when it was a sin and didn't confess before the died still burning in hell?

Becky