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Jesus Christ: The Sum and Subtance of Biblical Prophecy
Modern Reformation Magazine ^ | September/October 2001 edition | Kim Riddlebarger

Posted on 10/10/2001 5:20:52 AM PDT by sola gracia

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To: Middle of the Road
So what you are saying is Christians automatically go to heaven because they have accepted Jesus(pbuh) into their hearts,but everyone else has to be judged?

No, this is not what I am saying at all. All those who have been (past tense) born of God will believe (1 John 5:1). It has nothing to do with what I wanted, accepted, or willed because I have sinned and come short of His glory (Romans 3:23). This is the legacy of my own free will:

Romans 3:10-18 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
there is none that understandeth; there is none that seeketh after God.
They have all gone from the way; they have together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one."
"Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit." "The poison of asps is under their lips,"
"whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."
"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
destruction and misery are in their ways,
and the way of peace have they not known."
"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
The one and only reason that I can believe upon Christ with my heart is because of the work God did prior to my confessing Him with my lips:
Jeremiah 24:7 And I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God; for they shall return unto Me with their whole heart.

Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep Mine ordinances, and do them. And they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall keep My judgments and do them.

It is God who changes a man's heart and if you ask Him for mercy, he may change your heart as well. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God who showeth mercy. (Romans 9:16)

I most certainly will give an account of myself before God (Romans 14:12), but I have been saved from my works (Romans 4:4-5). Christ hung from a tree as a propitiation (Romans 3:25, 1 John 2:1, 1 John 4:10) and an atonement (Romans 5:8-11) for my sins. My crimes have been judged and my debt has been paid. It has nothing to do with the works of man, but it has everything to do with the Mighty works of God.

And if you will repent and believe in your heart that Jesus is exactly who He claims to be, then you can have this:

Jeremiah 32:41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with My whole heart and with My whole soul.

41 posted on 10/10/2001 1:42:14 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Middle of the Road
It says in the Quran that Christians, Muslims and Jews will be in the paradise

The only men that will be in heaven are those,washed by the Blood of the Lamb

The Quran is wrong!

42 posted on 10/10/2001 1:46:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: artios
He is Lord! Thank you
43 posted on 10/10/2001 1:47:53 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M
Just who the heck is "Jesus(pbuh)"?

My curiosity as well....

44 posted on 10/10/2001 1:51:05 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Middle of the Road
So now You are going a step further and saying that the Bible is the only word of God

Revelation 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
22:20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
22:21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.

Woody didnt have to say it God said it..The Koran is the words of a mad man,not God

45 posted on 10/10/2001 1:55:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M
WOW it is no fun to have your religion touched in anyway is it? All I have been reading on this Zionist web-site is pure ignorance and no understanding or tolerance of Islam My Man Jack said it best "You can't Handle the Truth"

The (pbuh_ means peace be upon him it is out of respect. See I respect your religion while you and your Crusaders can't stomach Islam, because you have no understanding of it.

I can take verses or parts of verses from the Bible and make it look just as violent as you all have.

Jerry help me help you. I will neverstand before Jesus(pbuh) I will stand before God and be judged by God not Man as you will be!!!Peace be unto you. (and we are the violent ones)

46 posted on 10/10/2001 1:59:42 PM PDT by Middle of the Road
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To: Middle of the Road;CCWoody
It's sooooooo hard to stop. If you believe you are going to be judged, which you do, How is it not work based. So what you are saying is Christians automatically go to heaven because they have accepted Jesus(pbuh) into their hearts,but everyone else has to be judged? We will all be there on the Day of Judgement and we will ALL be JUDGED, which means its deeds based.

The reason it is so hard to stop is that the word of God is sharper than a two edged sword..It never returns void..Woody has been giving you the word of God..the real God..the God of heaven and earth.His word is life!

47 posted on 10/10/2001 1:59:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: CCWoody
I think that "pbuh", stands for "Peace Be Upon Him." They also use it after Muhammad's name. Not sure why.
48 posted on 10/10/2001 1:59:58 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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To: Middle of the Road; Jerry_M
The (pbuh_ means peace be upon him it is out of respect. See I respect your religion while you and your Crusaders can't stomach Islam, because you have no understanding of it. I can take verses or parts of verses from the Bible and make it look just as violent as you all have.

Gosh, who ever told you that God was only a God of peace sold you a pretty big whopper. It don't get much bloodier than Isaiah 63, which I have already quoted. What you don't seem to understand is that God is not after respect for religion, but the glory of His name. If you will confess that you are His created dirt and that as such He has the right to do whatsoever He wishes with you, then you may call upon the one and only Name Jesus to save you. Then you shall glorify Him. Otherwise, he will utterly destroy you and you will glorify Him in your destruction:

Psalm 52: Why boastest thou in thine own mischief, O mighty man? The goodness of God endureth continually.

Thy tongue deviseth mischiefs like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.

Thou lovest evil more than good, and lying rather than speaking righteousness. Selah

Thou lovest all devouring words, O thou deceitful tongue.

God shall likewise destroy thee for ever; He shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah

The righteous also shall see this and fear, and shall laugh at him:

"Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength, but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his own wickedness."

But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God; I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.

I will praise Thee for ever, because Thou hast done it, and I will wait on Thy name, for it is good before Thy saints.

Jerry help me help you. I will never stand before Jesus(pbuh) I will stand before God and be judged by God not Man as you will be!!!Peace be unto you. (and we are the violent ones)

A prophecy perhaps?

I'll rest in the High Ground of my salvation; my Bright and Glorious Morning Star:

Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid; for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; He also has become my salvation

49 posted on 10/10/2001 2:19:41 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Middle of the Road
You will stand before Jesus the Christ, you will bow your knee to Him, you will confess that He is LORD to the glory of God the Father. He (Jesus) is your Creator and God.

Now, it will be far better for you to bow your knee before Him now, and enjoy the blessings of His grace than it will be to bow your knee before Him after death, and face His wrath.

You can say "Peace, peace" all you want, we know the true "Prince of Peace".

Your memory of history is somewhat deficient. Your Islamic ancestors have given us places like Afganistan. My Calvinist Christian ancestors gave us this republic, and there is no nation on the face of the earth that even comes close to it. You are free to be a vocal, practicing Muslim in the USA. Would I be free to be a vocal, practicing Christian in Afganistan? (I didn't think so!)

50 posted on 10/10/2001 2:22:49 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Middle of the Road
Mohammed (diuh)

(diuh) = Damnation IS upon him. He has already discovered the anger of Jehovah God and His only begotten son, Jesus the Christ.

51 posted on 10/10/2001 2:27:22 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Middle of the Road
"Zionist web-site"

You haven't been around long, have you?

Find in Forum

Middle of the Road member since October 9th, 2001

Could it be that you have another agenda?


52 posted on 10/10/2001 2:32:16 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Middle of the Road
Peace be unto you. (and we are the violent ones)

The only weapon being used here is the word of God.You are free in this Nation to worship as you please..

The men here offer to you the word of God,to convict you of the error of Islam.

They are not threat to your life...they bring to you an offer of eternal life,not based on who you are or what you have done.But based on Who the truly Holy one,Jesus is and what He has done .They offer to you the gospel of Jesus Christ,they offer you LIFE

"My peace I give you"

53 posted on 10/10/2001 2:33:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Middle of the Road:Jerry_M:all
#46: "...I will neverstand before Jesus(pbuh) I will stand before God and be judged by God..."

[John 5:22] "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgement to the Son, [23] that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. He is forever "Theanthropus" the "God-Man"... the FIRST-born of many brethren in a bodily resurrection from the dead.

54 posted on 10/10/2001 2:41:50 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI; Jerry_M; RnMomof7; and all
[John 5:22] "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgement to the Son, [23] that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

Gadzooks Batman! I missed that one.....

Amen!

55 posted on 10/10/2001 2:49:50 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Middle of the Road:Jerry_M:OldGlory:All
#28: "What I meant was if the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran and any other revealed book(book from GOD)say the same thing then I think that is the absolute truth."

It's good you used the word "if".

The "Holy" (God-breathed) Bible (which includes the Torah (in the Old Testament), is the only inspired, books.

By the way, I see your screen name is "Middle of the Road", does that mean you view yourself as a "moderate" whatever? Here's a question for you:

Was Mohammed, the founder of Islam, himself, a "peaceful moderate", so-called "middle of the roader"? Read on:

Chapters from the Koran. Excerpted Introductory Note:

"THE ANCIENT religion of the Arabs was the worship of the stars. ... The chief seat of this .... worship was the city of Mecca...".

1 Mohammed was born in 571 A. D. His father died before he was born, and his mother when he was only six. In his youth he tended sheep and goats, and at twenty-four he was employed to drive caravans of camels by a rich widow, ‘Hadïgah, whom he married.

2 When he was forty, while wandering alone on a desolate mountain near Mecca, he had a vision. An angel appeared to him and told him to read, and recited certain verses.

From youth he had suffered from a kind of hysteria, and this vision seems to have increased his tendency to hallucinations and ecstasy.

There was an intermission of two or three years before the vision reappeared, after which revelations came rapidly.

He became convinced of his prophetic mission, and began to make converts, the first being the **women** of his own family.

3 For years, however, the new religion made little progress, and the prophet underwent great hardships, finally having to flee from Mecca to Medinah. From this “Flight,” which took place in 622 A. D., the Mohammedan era dates.

Two years later began the Holy War, and from this time on Mohammedanism was extended largely by the sword.

When its founder died in 632, it was firmly established as a great political power as well as a religion; and it is now said to be the belief of about a hundred and seventy millions of people.~

The Harvard Classics.1909–14: Chapters from the Koran

56 posted on 10/10/2001 3:08:30 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Middle of the Road:Jerry_M: OldGlory:BibChr:All
#57: "you ignorant bastard ... I am definately no liberal ... you are exactly like them hypocrits .... Islam is the fastest growing religion. WHY? ... because it is pure, peaceful and unites ... I am wasting my time here it seems you can't talk ... Once again Peace be unto you."

You do sound quite peaceful. :)

I see that in your emotional, knee-jerk *reaction* you have totally ignored the *issues* I set forth, and didn't address, or attempt to refute, any of the points I copied in #56 from the Harvard Classics web site about the Johnny-come-lately "founder" of Islam.

Nor did you provide proof refuting what I said about the "God" you deny that you will be judged by. Has anyone ever told you that you have already lost your "argument" when you call people names and make personal attacks on them?

Emotionally immature people are quite unreasonable, unstable and volatile. There is hope for some of them, though. They may grow up ... given time.

58 posted on 10/10/2001 4:43:15 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Middle of the Road
Middle of the Road wrote:

"Did Jesus(pbuh) create the heavens and the earth? Does Jesus(pbuh) make it rain? Does Jesus(pbuh) Give life or death without God? There was another prophet you might want to do some research on his name is Malachi he was another begotten son."

Dude - your turban is too tight. What the hell are you saying? Is there a point? Did you join on October 9th just to say that?

59 posted on 10/10/2001 7:00:39 PM PDT by artios
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To: Middle of the Road; Matchett-PI; Jerry_M
You guys scream about politians you are exactly like them hypocrits. Its not Mohemmedanism yourreligion is after a man not mine. Like I said earlier anyone can take the Bible and do the same exact thing as you have done with the Quran.

So, why didn't you? I love my Saviour enough to proclaim His, and only His Salvation BTW, to you. (1 Peter 3:15)

Oh, and I do not have religion, but Relationship. I have the Living God who lives within me. (Romans 8:16) What do you have that can possibly compare to that?

Islam is the fastest growing religion. WHY? Because it's violent and radical! No because it is pure, peaceful and unites all races colors and creeds. Of course it is hard for you KKK Zionist CNN watching people to accept any other people or religion.

I count myself blessed to have been cursed because of the Name of Jesus.

I am wasting my time here it seems you can't talk and find some common ground here because it is agree with you lunatics or off with your head. I will try to seperate this web-sites opinion from the rest of the country and just consider this a radical organization. Once again Peace be unto you.

I'm not interested in common ground unless it is the High Ground of the Rock of Salvation; Jesus Christ who is He who lives, and was dead, and is alive forevermore. My glorious God holds the keys of Hades and Death. (Revelation 1:18) If you wish to stand with me on this unCommon ground, then I will welcome the fellowship and count you my brother.

BTW, the difference between us is that vengence is not mine, but it belongs to Christ. (Romans 12:19) The Bible teaches me also to feed my enemies and give him drink. (Romans 12:20) So, tell me, considering that we are even now dropping medicine and food to hungry Afgans, who has a better faith?

60 posted on 10/10/2001 7:51:31 PM PDT by CCWoody
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