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1 posted on 09/16/2006 9:25:31 PM PDT by 60Gunner
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I had some classic chest pains, no shortness of breath, no nausea, and no sweats. Nonetheless, the pain was enough to have my wife drive me to a nearby clinic. Didn't matter that I kept on saying it wasn't a heart attack, but they treated it as such. I was taking Celebrex at the time and my mother's side of the family has a history of heart problems. My EKG was off so they drew blood, gave me aspirins, called an ambulance and I was in the hospital in short time.

Wound up to be an inflammation of the muscles around my rib cage, by it's good to know that the clinic crew wasn't listening to my protests and treated the episode as a heart attack. Better safe than sorry.


192 posted on 09/17/2006 5:57:37 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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Unfortunately, too many Emergency Depts view women coming in with shortness of breath as a panic attack.

I know a female (43) who went to the ER with shortness of breath, tingling arms, and sweating. Her father had his first heart attack at age 46 so she was keenly aware of heart disease. The hospital staff was very casual with her. Had her take a seat and wait for her turn. Finally, got her into a room. Did not draw blood. No urgency in her care. First they gave her what they called a GI Cocktail --- a combination of mylanta and lidocane --- to see if she was experiencing indigestion, nope. Finally they put the EKG leads on her. They were 'comfortable' that she was not having a heart attack. They gave her xanax and sent her home. She was sick for several months after the hospital episode. Very tired; just generally sick. It took months for her to get her strength back.

To this day she and her family continue to wonder if she did in fact experience a heart attack.

Suggestion ... if you are a woman or take a woman to the ER with shortness of breath, sweating, tingling ... DON'T leave until they do blood work to determine if it is a heart attack or not.

195 posted on 09/17/2006 6:24:37 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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This happened about 4 years ago to me. I went to the ER with what I thought was a broken finger (it was but is why I was there). After I sat down in the waiting area two women walk in. One sits down and the other goes to report her in to the ER reception people. As I am sitting there I notice this woman is not feeling all that great. Her friend, who now comes to sit with her says it will be just a few minutes. I Quietly listen as the two women discuss the on-going symptoms.

A few minutes, turns into 15 minutes. I finally lean over having heard the symptom descriptions being used and asked the obvious question, "Do you think you are having a heart-attack?" She said "yes." I got up and angrily interrupted the reception folk and asked if they were aware of the heart attack patient waiting in the ER. They then all scurried about and took her back immediately.

I don't know whatever happened to the woman. I didn't see her when I finally went back for my broken finger. I sincerely hope she is well and doing fine.
196 posted on 09/17/2006 6:34:16 AM PDT by EBH (All great truths begin as blasphemies. GB Shaw)
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"And the moral of the story for my non-nursing readers out there is: chest pain + shortness of breath + nausea =" Ticket to the front of the line during flu season.

Ask some one with the flu if they have these symptoms, and the govt (aka taxpayers aka you and me) will be giving them $5K doses of nyquill at the end of their "ER visit".

207 posted on 09/17/2006 7:44:06 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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I have had many ER experiences that were less than great. My husband had a stroke in 1999, we took him to an urgent care type clinic and they diagnosed stroke and sent him by ambulance to the hospital. At the hospital the ER doc on duty acted like it was all a joke and was convinced hubby was not and did not actually have a stroke. The ER doc changed his tune when the CT scan was done and only then got in gear and acted like it was really an emergency situation. Thank goodness our regular Dr showed up then becuase I was about to murder the doc in the ER. The nurses were trying to tell him what the ambulance people had told them about hubby's vitals and he was blowing them off too. I can only imagine what could have happened if we had taken him to the ER to begin with, Doc ER would probably have sent him home.

In contrast, when one of my daughters was away at college her roomate called us and said she thought my daughter was very sick. I went over and took her to the ER, as I was trying to sign her in, the triage nurse peeked out the door to talk to the people at the desk, my daughter was literally hanging on me in the hall- the triage nurse grabbed her and took her right to a bed and started checking her out. I was caught by surprise- not sure what that nurse saw when she looked at my daughter- but daughter had a raging kidney infectiion and her kidneys were not working properly, it did turn out to be very serious.

I guess it is like everything else- when you go to the ER you may get good help- or not.


223 posted on 09/17/2006 10:26:47 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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Every single person in that ER needs to be charged with murder and put in jail for 30 years.

That is incompetence beyond the pale of any logic or brains and by walking among us, they put us all at risk. They need to be locked away from the rest of humanity.

It is ER 101 that possible heart attack victims come above other things. This is just common sense.

Nobody in that emergency room has any, and that is flippin' scary.



227 posted on 09/17/2006 11:04:14 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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Always carry a heart attack first aid kit. I have one I carry all the time. It is home made but quite servicable.

I have a small metal can, the size of a quarter that contains two aspirin tablets.

Simple but very effective.


249 posted on 09/17/2006 2:56:36 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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Doctors suck.


255 posted on 09/17/2006 3:41:59 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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This would have NEVER happened if the patient had been a male.

Women with Heart Attacks Not Treated As Quickly as Men

262 posted on 09/17/2006 5:07:04 PM PDT by Darnright (http://media.putfile.com/Webb-on-Allen)
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I was 33 or 34 when I got a cold and decided to treat it the way I had been doing it for many years - take Sudafed for my sinus/runny nose and NyQuil to fight the other symptoms. However, this time, it caught up with me and everything started "graying out" around the edges. I got my roommate to rush to the ER where they treated me as if it was a heart attack; ekg, nitro, lot's of attention and the whole works. I stabilized but my medical plan required I be sent to my hospital (had the best Cardiac Ward) for observation.

Man, was I scared! They kept me pretty sedated and lot's of fluids that night and I stayed stable through the night. The next morning, a doctor on rounds comes in and says: "What are you doing in my ward - you are too young to be here." I told him what I had done and he basically told me the two over-the counter-drugs reacted against themselves - one sped up my heart and the other was trying to slow it down. My heart did not know what to do so the rhythm got messed up. They made me do a a treadmill but all it showed was how out of shape I was.

Needless to say, it scared the beejesus out of me and this thread is of great interest to me. BTW, does anyone have any experience with the heart scans that are being advertised? Do they really pick up on blockages/problems with your heart?
264 posted on 09/17/2006 6:07:31 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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The local hospital hospital where we used to live had a woman that brought in her husband with chest pains. The emergency room sent him home, they said it was gas pains. He left the emergency room, got into to his car, had a massive heart attack and died in the emergency room parking lot. The wife sued and won.


266 posted on 09/17/2006 6:13:31 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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Thanks for posting this.

My brother's wife, at age 34, went to the doctor complaining of back and chest pains and he sent her home with pain pills.

My brother found her the next morning dead of a massive heart attack. They had a son 14 and daughter 8, which my brother raised alone after that.

My stepdaughter's husband, in 2001 was diagnosed with leukemia, and went through massive chemo and into remission.

In 2004 his cancer came back, he'd just had his first chemo, and became ill. Stepdaughter took him to the emergency room, and they kept him waiting in the waiting room for three hours. He was so sick and weak he layed on the floor in the ER waiting room, while they treated people with colds, coughs, broken bones, etc. When (after 3 hours) they finally took him into the back he went into cardiac arrest and died, leaving a wife and 15 year old son, and daughters aged eight and three.

This does happen, all too frequently. And no, none of these people sued. But it does send a wake up call.


267 posted on 09/17/2006 6:18:06 PM PDT by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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I remember having my first (and so far, only) heart attack. I called the hospital's cardiologist twice just to make sure; on the second call, he was quite irritated with my not being sure that I might be having a heart attack. He said, "Let me repeat: Get yourself in here!"

When the ambulance arrived and I was all buckled in, the nurse said to me, "Now, start at the beginning." To which I replied, "Well, I was born around 4:00 a.m. on the morning of October the third, 19..."

Well, she did say, "start at the beginning."

I don't think they liked me very much.

268 posted on 09/17/2006 8:49:38 PM PDT by OldPossum
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I wonder how many illegal Mexicans were clogging the ER for their routine health care stuff at the time.


288 posted on 09/18/2006 6:18:28 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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At the emergency department in which I am employed, there is a simple standard of practice that governs the treatment of any person who complains of chest pain, shortness of breath, and nausea, whether the person is 18 or 90 years old, and it is as follows: Treat it as a heart attack.

When I was a brand-new cop, we were fairly close to a hospital when we saw a 12-year-old kid fall off of his bike. We pulled over and asked if he was OK. His breathing was labored, and he said that his chest hurt. We gave him a lift to the hospital and took him to the ER.

Turns out he was having a no-kidding heart attack. The doctor later told us that if we hadn't been there, he probably would have died.

292 posted on 09/18/2006 11:58:55 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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I see only one *possible* variable that was left out of the story and that would be the conditions of those ahead of her. Perhaps they were perceived to be much worse than she was.

I was taken to the ER by friends 4 years ago and looked terrible. I am morbidly obese (say the damn doctors) and at the ER admission process my pulse was 153 and the nurse dropped everything and called for a stretcher. She started to panic. I told her that the quickened pulse was the result of the pain that I was in and that the pulse would return to normal within ten minutes once I was able to sit or lie still.

She responded appropriately, but in my case unnecessarily. Ten minutes later, I was on a monitor and my pulse was back to normal. In fact, I think my pulse was normal before hers.

PS -- I was trained as an army medic and had triage training, worked in a hospital, and knew that I was only in a lot of discomfort, but not at all in a state of distress as the vitals seemed to indicate. Perhaps this woman, once in the ER downplayed her own symptoms and patients who were seen as being more serious were seen first.


295 posted on 09/18/2006 12:48:47 PM PDT by Badray (While defending the land called America, we must also be sure to preserve the Idea called America.)
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I am a medical recruiter. If you ever get happy feet and want to move somewhere else, I'd be honored to present such an impressive nurse with common sense!
;-)


300 posted on 09/18/2006 1:31:05 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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It would be good to note that this patient was a woman. More women die of heart disease than breast cancer. WAY more.

Also it is not uncommon for women having a heart attack to have NONE of these classic symptoms.

301 posted on 09/18/2006 1:40:54 PM PDT by DManA
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I'd like to make several observations (RN for 17 years):

1. Our ED's are over-crowded because of several reasons; illegals using them for primary care, those without a PCP using them for primary care, people INAPPROPRIATELY using ED's for non-emergent non-traumatic problems (sore throat, cold, sinus infection), and lack of financial motive for those on Medicaid to use the PCP office rather than the ED(while an HMO patient gets whacked a $75-100 copay or more, Medicaid patients don't; who do you think is more likely to visit an ED?).

2. We don't know the facts here, although it does appear that the staff were negligent. We only know what we are told; did the patient truly come in c/o chest pain and SOB? Everything is not always as it seems; I've seen it happen several times during my career.

3. I'm no lawyer, but I doubt that this is homicide; manslaughter maybe, but not intentional murder.

Finally, as an ED nurse, you'll appreciate this one: I once worked with a Pediatric Emergency Medicine physician; her pet peeve was when you called it an "Emergency ROOM"; "it's a department, not a room".


308 posted on 09/18/2006 5:52:51 PM PDT by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity - http://jsher.livejournal.com/)
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