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Smoker's saliva a 'cocktail of chemicals'
Yahoo ^ | 06/02/04 | Reuters

Posted on 06/02/2004 4:43:14 AM PDT by Colosis

LONDON (Reuters) - Smoking destroys protective molecules in saliva and transforms it into a dangerous cocktail of chemicals that increases the risk of mouth cancer, scientists say.

"Cigarette smoke is not only damaging on its own, it can turn the body against itself," said Dr Rafi Nagler, of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa, Israel.

Saliva contains antioxidants, molecules that normally protect the body against cancer, but Nagler and his colleagues have discovered that cigarette smoke destroys the molecules and turns saliva into a dangerous compound.

"Our study shows that once exposed to cigarette smoke, our normally healthy saliva not only loses its beneficial qualities but it turns traitor and actually aids in destroying the cells of the mouth and oral cavity," he added.

In research reported in the British Journal of Cancer on Wednesday, Nagler and his team studied the impact of cigarette smoke on cancerous cells in the laboratory.

Half of the cells were exposed to saliva exposed to cigarette smoke and the other half just to the smoke. Cells exposed to the saliva mixture had more damage and it increased along with the time of exposure.

"Most people will find it very shocking that the mixture of saliva and smoke is actually more lethal to cells in the mouth than cigarette smoke alone," Nagler added in a statement.

Smoking and drinking are the leading causes of head and neck or oral cancers, which includes cancer of the lip, mouth, tongue, gums, larynx and pharynx. Nearly 400,000 new cases of the illness are diagnosed worldwide each year with the majority in developing countries. The five-year survival rates are less than 50 percent.

Nagler and his colleagues believe the research could open up new avenues to develop better treatments to prevent oral cancer.

"This insight into how mouth cancer can develop offers more reasons for smokers to try and quit," said Jean King, of Cancer Research UK, which publishes the journal. "People know the link with lung cancer and this research adds compelling evidence about the damage smoking can do to the mouth."


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: health; pufflist; smokers; smoking; smokingbans
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To: Liberal Classic
I'm not saying that smoking is a good thing, but whether it is healthful or not isn't the issue.

If it is not the issue why do you try to discount the health effects when they are posted?

141 posted on 06/02/2004 10:59:27 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA

Not all, just one on this thread that lives in Florida. Keep trying to twist words tho', it is a typical liberal talant.


142 posted on 06/02/2004 10:59:32 AM PDT by CSM (Liberals may see Saddam's mass graves in Iraq as half-full, but I prefer to see them as half-empty.)
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To: cinFLA

"It has been shown that smokers have higher occurrences of those diseases."

Still waiting for proof of this baseless claim.


143 posted on 06/02/2004 11:00:46 AM PDT by CSM (Liberals may see Saddam's mass graves in Iraq as half-full, but I prefer to see them as half-empty.)
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To: cinFLA

You're getting offensive. Now, you don't want smokers around you, because that's offensive...you'd better watch your behavior, it's offending ME, and your posts hang around a lot longer than smoke, here on the forum.


144 posted on 06/02/2004 11:02:08 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: Judith Anne

http://monographs.iarc.fr/htdocs/monographs/vol83/01-smoking.html


Cervical cancer

An association of invasive cervical squamous-cell carcinoma with smoking has been observed in the large number of studies reviewed. The most recent studies have controlled for infection with human papillomavirus, a known cause of cervical cancer. The effect of smoking was not diminished by the adjustment for human papillomavirus infection, or analysis restricted to cases and controls both positive for human papillomavirus (as ascertained by human papillomavirus DNA or human papillomavirus serological methods). There is now sufficient evidence to establish a causal association of squamous-cell cervical carcinoma with smoking. In the small number of studies available for adeno- and adeno-squamous-cell carcinoma, no consistent association was observed.


145 posted on 06/02/2004 11:03:52 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
If it is not the issue why do you try to discount the health effects when they are posted?

No proof, that's why. Statistics are NOT proof. And the general air of superiority that goes along with the use of statistics as proof, that too.

146 posted on 06/02/2004 11:04:00 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: Judith Anne
You're getting offensive. Now, you don't want smokers around you, because that's offensive...you'd better watch your behavior, it's offending ME, and your posts hang around a lot longer than smoke, here on the forum.

Why would you enter a thread that you find offensive. If you find it offensive, you have the right to not enter and be exposed to the hazard of the truth.

147 posted on 06/02/2004 11:06:59 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA

I don't. The negative impact smoking has on the body is not exactly a new discovery. The first modern scientific study linking smoking with cancer was (the year eludes me) the late twemtoes pr early thirties and the term 'cancer stick' originates about the same time. At the risk of sounding repeditive, I do not discount the health effects, it is just that there are larger issues at stake.


148 posted on 06/02/2004 11:07:22 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi)
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To: Judith Anne
No proof, that's why. Statistics are NOT proof.

The lung photos posted were not statistics. The people that died from smoking became statistics.

149 posted on 06/02/2004 11:08:14 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA

Statistics are NOT evidence. If there is a causal connection, then why don't all female heavy smokers have it? And if you're going to use statistics, why don't ALL smokers get lung cancer? Only ten percent do...so the smokenazis have to come up with other diseases "related" by statistics to smoking.

Statistics lie. Statistics are NOT evidence. The fact that people who claim to be scientists use statistics as proof of anything simply means that they don't have the inclination to do real science.


150 posted on 06/02/2004 11:08:55 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: CSM
Not all, just one on this thread that lives in Florida. Keep trying to twist words tho', it is a typical liberal talant.

Below is your post. It was an attack on Vietnam Service. Notice that it directly refers to the medal and not to me.

BTW, a Naval Vietnam Service Medal.......I heard even JFnK has one of those and he wasn't all that committed to freedom either.

151 posted on 06/02/2004 11:11:03 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA

It isn't TRUTH I find offensive, it's you. Just as you find our smoke offensive, I find your excessive reliance on statistics as proof offensive. It does conveniently allow you to make all sorts of outrageous claims...along with your pet government scientists...

By the way, how about that governor who wants to use higher cigarette and liquor taxes to suppor the increases in the state school budgets? Do you think SHE wants people to quit smoking, or not? You never have answered that question, and you did stay off that thread, I noticed, although you're on every other smoking thread....


152 posted on 06/02/2004 11:12:53 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: Judith Anne
If there is a causal connection, then why don't all female heavy smokers have it? And if you're going to use statistics, why don't ALL smokers get lung cancer?

Snake bites cause death. Why don't all people that get snake-bit die?

153 posted on 06/02/2004 11:15:38 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Judith Anne

What governor? I have no idea what you are talking about. You keep mentioning 'this governor' but have made no specific reference to who she is or where she is from or other.


154 posted on 06/02/2004 11:17:00 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA

Do you know the percentage of non-smokers from non-smoking households who got lung cancer?

Do you know the percentage of smokers who ever get lung cancer?

Why would a REAL scientist rely on statistics, instead of doing REAL science?

Why does one governor want to raise taxes on smoking to help her state's school budget?

Where do you get off regulating private legal behavior and taxing it to the skies? Why don't you try to have it banned, if it's such a health problem? Why aren't you going after the fast-food joints as well? The number of people dying from obesity is now equal to the number of people dying from so-called smoke related illnesses, and will soon surpass them. Why aren't you going after fatties, with their increased levels of heart disease, diabetes, joint disease, circulatory illnesses, BREATHING DIFFICULTIES, etc? Those are clear evidentiary links!


155 posted on 06/02/2004 11:18:45 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: Judith Anne
Why aren't you going after fatties, with their increased levels of heart disease, diabetes, joint disease, circulatory illnesses, BREATHING DIFFICULTIES, etc? Those are clear evidentiary links!

Why do you think that these are health issues and not think that the smoking related problems are health issues?

156 posted on 06/02/2004 11:23:21 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Snake bites cause death. Why don't all people that get snake-bit die?

You know, that's interesting...why don't we tax snake bites, and use the money to help the state school funds?

That's a REALLY lame analogy. Now that you're getting foolish, I consider my work here done.

By the way, there are a number of questions here you haven't answered....not just from me, from others. So we'll just have to conclude you aren't really interested in a constructive argument, just in condemning a legal activity. You've not weighed in on the tax thingie, yet...how do you feel about raising cigarette taxes? And then using the money to help the state school budgets? That okay with you?

157 posted on 06/02/2004 11:26:08 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: cinFLA
Why do you think that these are health issues and not think that the smoking related problems are health issues?

I don't. That's putting words in my mouth. I asked you why you weren't concerned with obesity...I never see you on the obesity threads...you hang around the smoking threads, in case you hadn't noticed.

158 posted on 06/02/2004 11:28:10 AM PDT by Judith Anne (HOW ARE WE EVER GOING TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS MESS?)
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To: cinFLA; Judith Anne

"Why would you enter a thread that you find offensive. If you find it offensive, you have the right to not enter and be exposed to the hazard of the truth."

So, it's good enough for Judith on FR, but it isn't good enough for you in real life?


159 posted on 06/02/2004 11:29:47 AM PDT by CSM (Liberals may see Saddam's mass graves in Iraq as half-full, but I prefer to see them as half-empty.)
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To: Judith Anne
You've not weighed in on the tax thingie, yet...how do you feel about raising cigarette taxes? And then using the money to help the state school budgets? That okay with you? Whatever. I have no idea what issue you are talking about. You will not name names, issues or even the state.
160 posted on 06/02/2004 11:30:11 AM PDT by cinFLA
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