Posted on 04/05/2004 8:16:18 AM PDT by SheLion
Smoked out
Some companies now forbid workers to smoke anywhere on their property -- not on the sidewalk, not even in their cars in the parking lot.
01:00 AM EST on Sunday, April 4, 2004
Everyone knows you can't smoke in the office anymore.
But increasingly, you can't smoke outside work either.
At Rhode Island Hospital, employees have a nickname for their designated outdoor smoking kiosks: butt huts.
The workers, however, could consider themselves indulged that they're allowed to puff on the hospital's sprawling property at all.
Because a few miles away at Lowe's Home Improvement Warehouse, in Cranston, employees who want a cigarette must punch out, get in their cars, and drive off store grounds. Workers who sneak a smoke in their cars in the Lowe's parking lot can be disciplined under a corporate policy that went into effect in September. Workers at Beacon Mutual Insurance Co., in Warwick, also aren't allowed to smoke in their cars in the parking lot, or it could lead to a note in their personnel file.
Molly Clark, director of environmental health programs at the American Lung Association of Rhode Island, says the smoke-ban trend is "regulating outdoors as well" as indoors.
Companies send smokers outside, she said, only to find them huddled by the front doors in a cloud of stale smoke.
But the outdoor restrictions aren't only about secondhand smoke and unwelcoming whiffs at the front door.
Some employers, believing that smokers drive up health-care costs, are unabashedly trying to get them to quit. Companies might run into legal problems if they refuse to hire smokers, but they can make it a hassle to be one.
When toymaker Hasbro Inc. created a designated outdoor smoking area last year, "we tried to make it as inconvenient as possible," said Robert Carniaux, senior vice president of human resources. "We were hoping that we might effect some change in behavior."
CHER SILVIA wishes people would stop minding her behavior.
That behavior has included dragging on Dorals for 24 years.
In December, Silvia started RI Rights, an online activism group for Rhode Island smokers, who don't want to see the state go the way of New York and other smoke-free places. Silvia, of Tiverton, is retired and lives in Lake Placid, Fla., but she comes north for the summer.
If Rhode Island starts enacting bans all over, she said last week in a friendly, husky voice, "I can't take it."
She said employers who tell workers they can't smoke in their cars -- or on the property -- have gone too far.
"They're nannies," she said. "They've got to tell us what's best for us. I don't appreciate it at all. I can live my own life the way I want to."
Such workplace bans are ahead of what is required by Rhode Island law. Rhode Island's smoking laws, which have lagged behind those in border states, don't ban smoking in workplaces.
But that may change.
On Thursday, the House leadership introduced legislation that would ban smoking in virtually every public place, including restaurants, shopping malls and private office buildings. The bill would also require that employers who allow their workers to smoke outside "must provide an area which is physically separated from the enclosed workplace so as to prevent the migration of smoke into the workplace."
The bill sponsored by House Majority Leader Gordon D. Fox represents more than six months of negotiations and marks a reversal for the House, which last year allowed similar legislation passed by the Senate to die.
Rep. Elizabeth M. Dennigan, D-East Providence, has been a leader on the smoke-ban issue during her eight years in the House.
"We certainly have more support this year. I think a lot of that has to do with what has happened regionally since we adjourned last year," Dennigan said, referring to New York and the sweeping smoking laws that have passed in Connecticut. Legislation in Massachusetts has passed the House and Senate, and the governor has promised not to veto it.
REGARDLESS of what's happening at the General Assembly, a nonprofit agency called the Worksite Wellness Council of Rhode Island is working with Rhode Island companies to change smoking policies.
The council is an affiliate of the Worksite Wellness Council of America, a national organization started in 1982 by some workers in Omaha, Neb.
The original mission was to "enhance the health and well-being of employees," thereby helping companies save money and time, according to the national council's Web site. The Omaha council's success spurred "cost-conscious" employers in other communities to form their own councils. Rhode Island's Department of Health helped local companies start the wellness council here in 1999.
The Worksite Wellness Council of Rhode Island is now its own nonprofit organization with 150 members. Jeffrey Johnson, vice president of community relations at Beacon Mutual Insurance, is president.
He said the wellness council has used Health Department statistics to "find out what is killing" Rhode Islanders.
"We've tried to take the top five things and try to find grant money and go out and make a critical difference in the workplace," he said.
He said that if employers spend money and time on their workers' health, they can "reduce health-care costs, workers' comp costs," absenteeism -- and boost productivity.
For each of four years now, the local wellness council has received a $50,000 grant from the state's share of federal tobacco money. As part of the $246-billion tobacco settlement of 1998, tobacco companies make annual payments to states.
The wellness council uses the tobacco grant money to send Debra Foley, a consultant, to workplaces. Foley said it is her job to assist employers in achieving a smoke-free status.
Foley has worked with some 175 companies over the past four years.
The majority do have some restrictions on where smoking is allowed outside building, she said.
She knows of 8 or 10 companies that have entirely smoke-free premises. And more are considering it.
"In the last month I have had four companies referred to me that are interested in going to a smoke-free campus," she said.
Policies are the most effective way to encourage smokers to quit smoking, she said.
DR. RICHARD BROWN, director of addictions research at Butler Hospital and Brown University, found it interesting that some companies are enforcing policies as a way not only to keep the air cleaner, but to change habits.
"My personal reaction is that it's a little more controversial," he said.
People tend to not like to have behaviors dictated to them, he said.
He said those workplace smoking policies, however, could be positive if the strict rules are paired with education and support for the smokers. Hasbro, Beacon Mutual, Lowe's and other companies said they did phase in their smoking policies and have offered to help employees quit with smoking cessation-classes and health fairs. Hasbro even brought in a hypnotist.
Beacon Mutual started educating and warning its smokers long before the company moved 2 1/2 years ago from rented offices to its privately owned headquarters overlooking Route 95 in Warwick. As a tenant, it could not stop employees from puffing in the hallways; as owner of its headquarters, it could.
"We told them a year before we moved that there would be no smoking on the grounds," said Johnson, the vice president of community relations.
And that there would be no smoking in the parking lot.
Some employees said, but it's my car. The company told them that they were on private property. "A couple of people did get caught," Johnson said, but it never went beyond a verbal warning. However, future offenses could result in a written warning that would become part of their personnel file.
Once in the new building, the company also banned the informal practice of smoking breaks.
"The rest of the people were saying, 'How come smokers get a break and go outside and we don't?' " Johnson said.
"We said, 'You're absolutely right. That's not fair, because we're rewarding bad behavior.' That's when we said to supervisors, you've got to stay on top of it and make sure smokers are not allowed to take breaks."
MOST OF THE NEW hires come with the understanding that they will have to go until lunchtime without a cigarette. Johnson said Beacon is doing its employees a favor.
"We can't afford to do all these self-destructive behaviors, and people are finally waking up to that fact," he said.
Down in Florida, Cher Silvia, founder of RI Rights, has been collecting data on workplace smoking bans.
Along with running RI Rights, Silvia is a member of Illinois Smokers, Florida Smokers, Florida Rights, Maine Rights, the Smokers Club forum, and more.
"This morning, I opened up 100 e-mails," she said last week. "That's just in the morning. God knows what I get in the day."
One of the big topics for the Internet groups lately is Lowe's Home Improvement Warehouse and its national policy that forbids employees to smoke anywhere on the premises, including in their own cars in the parking lot.
But Lowe's national spokeswoman, Chris Ahearn, said the new policy has worked very well.
She said there have been complaints but just as many comments from employees who like working in a smoke-free environment.
"We're not telling people to stop smoking," Ahearn said. "We're saying don't smoke on our property."
With staff reports by Scott Mayerowitz
DIGITAL EXTRA: To smoke -- in public -- or not to smoke? Cast your vote on the topic at:
http://projo.com/news/smokingpoll.htm
And I was a professional dancer and "I" smoked. Never hindered "me" any!
You bored? Well, move on. Find some other poor sap to bash. I'm sure there isn't much to make "you" happy!
Ahhh good!
Smell is in the nose of the beholder. What is stink to one is perfume to another. We aren't all cut from the same cloth, thank God.
It would be a waste of time for us to give you our Smoker's Right's URL's on the Net. You wouldn't even bother to read them, so why should I take the time to give them to you!
You want to check out my Web Site, go to my About Me page in here and get the link!
Your sure welcome. It's not a very lady like procedure, but it's better then just throwing butts on the ground if there is no other way. When smoker's are outside walking around, they need to carry a pop can with some water in it. This way, they can put the butts in the can and then the anti's can't bitch about the butts among the litter. :)
Your cute as a bug's ear and you know it! :)
Oh yes.......that group of people that should have smoked! You know, there are reports out there that smoker's are pretty much exempt from Alzheimer's. Sounds good to "me."
That sure would be a sad state to be in though.......live a long life and not know where they are. It gives me the shivers.
Hey, Einstein, you're the one that brought the "stupid" thing up.
I wouldn't dream of trying to prevent you from so doing.
I don't recall asking your permission.
It's your right, I don't care.
Then why are you here?
Yet, nothing you say, and no amount of tantrum throwing is going to make the activity less stupid.
How unsurpisingly condescending of you; disagreement with you equals a tantrum.
You sit there behind your keyboard and monitor and pontificate about how much better than others you are, while doing nothing more than express your opinion.
It has been expressed you are entitled to your opinion, yet you refuse to acknowlege the same of other with whom you disagree.
To be honest, I'm tired of this thread.
Only because you realize the truth of what I and others are saying about your posts.
You haven't said anything substantive yet.
And you have? all you have done is express your personal opinion in an extremely offensive and insulting manner.
Everybody else is just mad that they have a filthy habit and I don't mind telling them what they don't want to hear.
No, you just enjoy belittling people you don't know and who don't want to know you, through the anonymity of the internet. What a sick way to get your jollies.
I'm glad you're tired of this thread. Holier than thou prigs give me hives.
I'm a 48 year old man, I lift weights five days a week and am in excellent physical shape, and I can keep up with most 21 year olds. I am also a smoker of 30 years. If I choose to smoke, it's my own damned business. I don't need the government, an employer, or any other pushy idiot telling me what I can or cannot do on my own time or trying to regulate an entirely legal act.
Make it illegal or shut the hell up, you anti-smoking schmucks. While you're at it, get a life. You have WAY too much time on your hands.
Brownsville Station or Motley Crue's "Smokin' in the boys room." is an apt song here. I have no problem with businesses having that as their policy, That said, I don't do business with pricks. My car is my castle, and I do as I damn well please with it, as long as it doesn't directly affect others. And I only smoke an occasional cigar. My problem is freedom grabbers. These pricks are also the same people in the gun grab movement.
smoke-ban trend is "regulating outdoors as well" as indoors.
At least this public health fascist admits it.
"They're nannies," she said. "They've got to tell us what's best for us. I don't appreciate it at all. I can live my own life the way I want to."
And those busybodies need to get a life and mind their own damn business.
On Thursday, the House leadership introduced legislation that would ban smoking in virtually every public place, including restaurants, shopping malls and private office buildings.
And big intrusive government is once again sticking their massive bureaucratic egos onto private property. How fascist.
The council is an affiliate of the Worksite Wellness Council of America, a national organization started in 1982 by some workers in Omaha, Neb.
Where does their funding come from? Tides Foundation? Geoge Soros? Robert Woods Johnson? MacArthur Fund? Goldman Fund? Tsunami Fund? Joyce Foundation?
He said the wellness council has used Health Department statistics to "find out what is killing" Rhode Islanders.
And you people are trying to turn us all into sheep and weaklings.
Some employees said, but it's my car. The company told them that they were on private property.
So you people that are pushing government to ban them admit it is private and not public. Okay...
These same jerks are after our guns too, so if you support them, you are also enabling gun grabber.
If they ban it, I'll be smoking a cigar that day, just to give that law the finger.
A law like that is wrong, and unworthy of being followed by me.
That's my view.
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