Revenues up 9% in New York Bars

Fox News | 3-29-04 | unknown

[at bay]

Fox news reported that bar revenues are up 9% over a year ago when the smoking ban went into effect. Apparently the "If I can't have my way I'll stay home" crowd of puffers were outnumbered by "Now that the air has cleared I think I'll stop in for a drink."

Since these numbers are supported by public tax revenue records, there's n o doubt all the "chimney chicken little/ sky is falling" scenarios proved to be just whiners blowing smoke.

[Gabz]

You've received messages that call you a child abuser and a murderer?

Yes I have.

I have also been threatened with the idea that Child Protective Services would come knocking on my door to remove my child bacause I am an unfit parent. I have been informed that my daughter would have been better off if I had an abortion. I also know that one of the main proponents of the NYC smoking ban considers he and his "life partner" to be more fit parents for their "daughters" than my husband and I are for our daughter, just because we are smokers.

And that is just on the internet - I haven't even gotten into the phone calls and regular mail I've received. I've dealt with it all.

[NYCVirago]

If smokers want to preserve any public smoking areas they really ought to get in front of the anti-smoking movement and start offering up some compromises. Agree to wide areas of non-smoking in order to preserve a few smoking areas.

What are you talking about? It's the anti-smokers who don't want any compromise. Before this New York city law, smoking was already banned from restaurants -- the only exception was bar areas of restaurants. Smokers had already made many compromises on this issue, but that wasn't enough for Mayor Bloomberg.

[SheLion]

If you are grown, well....

That's it! I'm a grown woman who can make choices for myself.

I am not fat or obese. Did you know that the Surgeon General Satcher put forth a report that obesity is passing smoking today for countless deaths each year?

I think you need a new bandwagon to stand on........fight obesity!

Smokers live a lot longer today then an obese person. All that fat around the heart puts the person at risk for not being able to live past the age of 30. I think I will take my chances with smoking. Personally, I truly enjoy it. It's my legal right to smoke. And to purchase cigarettes.

[Stu Cohen]

Tell that to ex-smoker Mayor Bloomberg. He's the one who's made taxing and banning smoking the No. 1 issue on his agenda, even though he never even campaigned on it.

If I was able to talk to Mayor Bloomberg, there would be about 1001 things I would want to say to him. Not much of it good.

Speaking as an ex-NY'er.

Then again, I don't know that I would want to impose my views on a city that I no longer live in (or in the case of Hillary ... never lived in).

Please don't get me started on that carpetbagger or I will be banned from this forum for life because I cannot speak of her without using #*$&% expletives #@%@% that #@$& bi735 #$&@% ....

I must go now.

[wtc911]

The options in your life are smoke or sit around and get drunk every night...nice life.

We smoke because it's legal. Nonsense.

I've said nothing about banning smoking. If you read the entire thread you'd know that I wrote that I am not in favor of the law.

I am curious about why presumably reasonable people who claim not to be addicted but who choose to smoke knowing the health issues would not stop, if not for their own sake but for the ones they love.

I do not expect a reasonable answer so go ahead, take your shot and have a nice day.

[SheLion]

I am curious about why presumably reasonable people who claim not to be addicted but who choose to smoke knowing the health issues would not stop, if not for their own sake but for the ones they love.

For Heaven's SAKE! The ones I LOVE DO SMOKE! My daughter smokes as well as my son in law, and they gave birth to a very healthy BIG baby boy two years ago. Heck, my own daughter weighed in at 8lb 9oz! And I smoked since I was 16.

Why are you worried about us? Everyone lives their own lives, or should be able to do so without getting heartburn from others who prefer to live their lives another way. What's the big deal?

[SheLion]

The options in your life are smoke or sit around and get drunk every night...nice life.

Your either trying to describe MY life, although I don't know how, since you know nothing about me. PS! I do not drink. How's that?

I was just stating a fact that I think it's better to smoke instead of laying around bombed everynight when there are kids at home that see it. At least smoking doesn't alter my state of mind!

[Gabz]

I don't find smoking to be addictive - it's a habit I enjoy, just like reading, doing crosswords and gardening, all of which I do more often then I smoke.

You are twisting my words........you were speaking of 13 year olds....at that age of course I will discourage her, just like I discouraged my nieces at that age, and just like I will discourage her from drinking alcohol - it is something for adults, not children, to do.

I don't know that smoking will shorten my life, so I have no idea why you are claiming I know such a thing. Getting out of bed in the morning brings risks to my life, driving to the store brings risks to my life, eating certain things brings risk to my life.............being born guaranteed one thing - I will one day die.

The last few years of my mother-in-law's life was terribly difficult for both of her daughters and her son and me........and she was a lifetime non-smoker.....contrary to what you anti-smokers claim, non-smokers do die and not always in the opposite manner of smokers that you are attempting to imply.

[wtc911]

I claimed that non-smokers don't die? Where...nevermind...have a nice day.

[at bay]

Chimney man, please listen,
You don't know what you're missin'
Chimney ma,
The world is at your command....

Nothing cool or normal about your habit. That you wish to imitate a chimney is your business, I guess, so long as the ban hasn't been enacted yet for the poison you consume, but you got no right to blow it in my face, sir, madam.

And I don't know what's wrong with the term "chimney people."

[Gabz]

You got it right SheLion.

I don't remember my paternal grandfather smoking, but he died when I was only 8 or 9. I never met my paternal grandmother, neither did my mom for that matter. She died from a brain tumor 5 years before my parents met and was a non smoker. My father's youngest sister died from the same thing at the same age (early 50s).

My maternal grandparents are a different story. Pop passed away 7 years ago, at 91, he never smoked, but sufferred from Parkinson's disease for 30 years. But my grandmother was always a smoker - I'm not sure of her age exactly, but I do know she is over 90 and still as fiesty as ever.

My MIL passed away less then 3 weeks after I got married, she was a never smoker and only 68. The passing of anyone is not a happy experience for their loved ones, and I know you have firsthand knowlege of this.

I find it personally offensive that the resident anti-smokers claim that smokers will be the ones inflicting undue pain upon their loved ones because of the debilitating diseases they will die from. Tell that to my husband and his sisters who watched their never smoking mother wither away for more than 3 years...........

[SheLion]

I forgot to mention that I never knew my grandmother........my mom's mother. She died when I was only two. She was full of cancer. Never smoked a day in her life. I can well imagine the suffering she did.

It's just nuts the way the anti's say that smokers are the only ones that will die a horrible death from smoking. This is just not true! Period!

[cinFLA]

Thank you for busting your own post.

your original post (2 - In some cases, such as a restaurant, there are places the public is not allowed to go, such as the food preperation areas, and so cannot see for themselves the conditions. The government, in it's beneficent magnitude, has decreed that the public WILL NOT be allowed there. )

--------------------from your link-------------------------------
FDA recommends that retail food store and food service establishment operators consider:

Other visitors (for example, contractors, sales representatives, delivery drivers, couriers, pest control representatives, third-party auditors, regulators, reporters, tours)

ensuring that there is a valid reason for all visits to the non-public areas of the establishment before providing access to the facility

[cinFLA]

Thanks for busting your own post. Your link is to a "Guideline", not a decree. Besides, it says you only have to "consider" the guidelines. NOTHING mandatory.

[cinFLA]

It's just nuts the way the anti's say that smokers are the only ones that will die a horrible death from smoking. This is just not true! Period!

Since you disagree with the statement I will transfer the 'not' to make it the negative which you should agree with.

"smokers are NOT the only ones that will die a horrible death from smoking. This is just not true!"

Are you now agreeing that non-smokers also die horrible deaths from smoking? Do you mean from SHS? I never thought I would see you say that!

[RightOnline]

"And I don't know what's wrong with the term "chimney people."

Since you weren't raised right, then let me educate you. It's rude, condescending, and makes you sound like an incredible wuss. How's that?

[Gabz]

Because I choose to do so.

The only surety in life is that life leads to death.......it is up to the Almighty when that will happen to each of us.

I am sure my grandmother did not want to leave this life when her youngest daughter was only 16 and I know for fact that daughter did not want to leave this life when her youngest daughter was only 16.

My grandmother was a never smoker, my aunt was an occassional smoker..........smoking or not smoking had nothing to do with either death.......they were still devastating to the families.

Anti-smokers claim that ALL deaths of smokers are because they were smokers and all are premature...............anti-smokers are like Demonrats, they live to lie.

[microgood]

Thefore, calling somone who is unable stop administering a drug an addict, and calling someone you don't like an "idiot", are two entirely seperate logical arguements.

Let me try this again in plainer English. There is no difference in calling someone a drug addict and calling someone an idiot. The intent is the same, at least in your case, to insult the person. Similar to the post where you said nicotine must be like crack the way people are arguing the point. The purpose is to insult, not scientifically analyze.

[VRWC_minion]

The purpose is to insult, not scientifically analyze.

Well, actually addicts are known to rationalize their behavior and to be in denial about the consequences of their behavior. It is part and parcel of the addiction.

[microgood]

Well, actually addicts are known to rationalize their behavior and to be in denial about the consequences of their behavior. It is part and parcel of the addiction.

Actually I was responding to a response from Stu Cohen by I sent to myself. I was just saying in his case there is no difference from him calling someone a drug addict and me calling him an idiot, they were both specifically designed to insult, one is just more indirect than the other. Its still an insult and meant as an insult.