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Trouble brews in Ireland over smoking ban Sweeping new law called unenforceable
Calgary Herald viaThe Associated Press ^ | Saturday, March 27, 2004 | Shawn Pogatchnik

Posted on 03/28/2004 10:31:11 PM PST by Murtyo

Ireland is about to ban tobacco from workplaces, but rebellion hangs heavy in the air, particularly in that smokiest of places, the pub.

"I won't be enforcing it and I won't be telling my staff to enforce it, simple as that," pub owner Danny Healy-Rae said of the ban, which takes effect Monday.

It applies to any enclosed work space, including more than 10,000 pubs, as well as billiard halls, private clubs, home offices, even a lone trucker's cab.

"We've a busy enough job to do here as it is, and we can't be chasing people into the television lounge or the toilets," added Healy-Rae, whose pub is in the County Kerry village of Kilgarvan, where, as is typical in rural Ireland, most customers smoke.

"We'll have to just let everyone smoke away as usual and the hell with what they say in Dublin."

Ever since Health Minister Michael Martin proposed the ban last year, surveys have shown a majority of Ireland's 3.9 million people, about 25 per cent of whom are smokers, support the idea. It would be the most sweeping restriction on cigarette smoking imposed by any country.

But enforcing the ban may be difficult.

Under the guidelines of the government's Office of Tobacco Control, pub owners can face fines of up to the equivalent of $5,200 Cdn per offence if they fail to make "all reasonable efforts" to deter smoking.

The guidelines specify pubs should display "no smoking" signs prominently at their entrances, bar areas and restrooms. Bar staff should tell smokers they're committing an offence, then, if they don't stop, refuse to serve them and ask them to leave.

If the customer refuses, the guidelines suggest calling the national police force. Police officers have reacted with outrage.

"It's not a function for a police force at all. We haven't resources to deal with far more serious issues, never mind dealing with obstreperous smokers," said P.J. Stone, spokesman for the police officers' main union.

The ban's key enforcers are about 40 Health Department inspectors, who will be responsible for spotting violations in pubs and hotels. Another 100 inspectors from the Health and Safety Authority, who currently monitor building sites, farms and other workplaces, will be asked to check for smoking employees, too.

Pubgoers predict that in tight-knit rural villages, pub owners will risk a fine rather than turn away familiar faces.

"This is a middle-class ban for city-centre pubs in Dublin and a few other cities and towns," said Terry Rafferty, a retired bank manager and pub connoisseur from western County Mayo.

"In Dublin you've got huddles of health-conscious people, trendies. But out in the sticks, forget it. They're still very happily health-unconscious."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ireland; pufflist; smokingban; smokingbans
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To: Mears
Tha all Ireland ban started last night also,I'm curious to see how that is going.

I did hear on the news that the pub owners over there are going to "just ignore the ban." Should be interesting.

21 posted on 03/29/2004 11:24:27 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: FoxPro
If you don't drink, and you don't smoke' you will die healthy.

Oh sure. LOL!


22 posted on 03/29/2004 11:25:41 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Mears
out house hunting.

Hey! Good for you! Good luck with that. It's always exciting moving into a new place. I always hated the move out, but loved moving in......fixing the place up and all that.

23 posted on 03/29/2004 11:27:00 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Murtyo
Asset forfeiture should do the trick.
24 posted on 03/29/2004 11:27:47 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Squantos
Having only ever smoked cigars to light time fuse it's a moot point for me...

The stuff they put in tobacco to keep it lighted makes it a very useful time delay fuse. Light up the cig, poke a hole by the filter and slip the fuse into the hole.

25 posted on 03/29/2004 11:30:38 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Remole
the 10,000 number is likely rounded up. The population of Ireland is now just 4m. Many of these licenses are not in use. I lived in a town with 34 licenced premises and a population of about 4000. However about half of these licenses were attached to general stores, in some cases hardware stores and not used regularly as bars, but the license was kept active by being open one day a year. Most of these licenses are spread evenly across the country so that newly heavly populated areas claim not to have enough pubs. I'd say there are about 4000 - 6000 active pubs in ireland - one for every 600 adults.
26 posted on 03/29/2004 12:33:05 PM PST by Murtyo
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To: Murtyo
It applies to any enclosed work space, including more than 10,000 pubs, as well as billiard halls, private clubs, home offices, even a lone trucker's cab

Even a truck cab? How would they enforce that?
27 posted on 03/29/2004 12:36:03 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: SheLion
Too funny.
28 posted on 03/29/2004 12:45:41 PM PST by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: FoxPro
Too funny.


29 posted on 03/29/2004 1:06:16 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: squidly
I agree. I doff my chapeau to the man who uses "obstreperous" with abandon.

I also enjoyed George Will's use of "sclerodermic." Bravo, George!

Regards,

PS: I'm STILL not going to Ireland until they come to their senses. I guess I'm just obstreperous.
30 posted on 03/29/2004 1:55:43 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Rummyfan
they can't. it's idiotic.
31 posted on 03/29/2004 2:06:16 PM PST by Murtyo
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To: Mears
I've obviously had a bad day,out house hunting.

Sorry to hear that! Didn't know they were in season! :)

Maybe you need a better dog........

32 posted on 03/29/2004 4:11:14 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Yes,)
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To: Myrddin
HUA !!
33 posted on 03/29/2004 10:20:02 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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