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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Mountain Meadows Massacre (9/11/1857) - Sep. 11th, 2003
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Posted on 09/11/2003 12:00:34 AM PDT by SAMWolf



Lord,

Keep our Troops forever in Your care

Give them victory over the enemy...

Grant them a safe and swift return...

Bless those who mourn the lost.
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for all those serving their country at this time.


God Bless America
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The Mountain Meadows Massacre


The years of 1855-56 had been particularly harsh on the Mormon settlements around the Great Salt Lake. Through their difficulties were due to normal things like drought and insect infestation, the Mormons believed they were being punished by God for their sins. All people were called upon to confess and represent. For some sins, the only way of achieving forgiveness was the doctrine of "blood-atonement." This meant that one had to shed their own blood. Unfortunately, things got out of control when some Mormons extended the shedding of blood to others to save themselves. At the same time, they claimed, they were "saving" the person who was sacrificed.



The atrocities reached the ears of leaders in the east. President Buchanan sent troops to Utah to return order. The Mormons heard about it in advance and prepared for a long siege. They stockpiled grain. They found places to hide. They got ready to leave at a moment’s notice. They burned down Fort Bridger and Fort Supply so they could not provide shelter to U.S. troops. Brigham Young declared that army troops would not be allowed to enter the Salt Lake Valley for any reason. He declared that all citizens must be ready to bare arms against them.

Before the troops could reach Utah, the Fancher emigrant train had reached Salt Lake City from Arkansas. They had received a hostile reception there so left as soon as possible. In their way south, they were unable to buy or trade with any of the settlers. They traveled as fast as they could to get out of Utah. They stopped at Mountain Meadows, in the southwest corner of the territory, to rest their animals. The meadows were a final resting and refueling stop before crossing the ninety miles of desert west of them. There were two springs in the valley and lush grass. Around the valley were steep hillsides.


This 1870s T.B.H. Stenhouse sketch depicts the horrors at Mountain Meadows


On the eastern edge of the valley lived Jacob Hamlin, a Mormon Indian agent for the Paiutes, and some other assistants. On the morning of September 7, 1857, seven emigrants fell dead from gunfire. Sixteen others were wounded. The emigrants were stunned, but the survivors raced to their wagons to arm themselves and get the women and children under cover. The Indians did not expect resistance and hesitated. But spurned on by their Mormon instigators John D. Lee, sub-agent, and Nephi Johnson, interpreter, they kept fighting. The Indians also ran off some of the cattle and shot the rest. Overall, there were 54 white men and 200 Indians in the attacking force.

The settlers made a fortress out of their wagons and piled up earth. They sent out messengers for help. Two men reached Cedar City, but when they asked for help, one of them was killed on the spot. The other was wounded, but got away. Three men finally got out and headed toward California for help.


John D. Lee


The Mormons were dismayed that the settlers weren’t so easy to dislodge. They held a council to decide what to do. They decided they must somehow be lured out of their stronghold and then killed. Lee and William Bateman approached the camp waving a white flag. They claimed that the Indians had agreed to leave them alone if they surrendered to the Mormons. They would have to make a show of it so the Indians would believe they were surrendering. They had to put their guns in the wagons and the men had to walk unarmed. The pioneers agreed, believing it was their only option.

They started to march out of the valley, practically in single file. When they reached a certain spot, Major John Higbee gave a signal. All of a sudden the Indians erupted out of their hiding places and attacked the women. The Mormon militiamen bringing up the rear killed the men on foot that were closest to them. All of the men were killed in the first two or three volleys. The women were left to the Indians. All of them were scalped, stripped of their clothes, and killed.


Site of the Mountain Meadow Massacre


Shortly afterward, Ira Hatch led some Indians after the three men who were heading to California. They caught up with them in the Santa Clara Mountains and killed them. In all, about 120 men, women, and children were killed including the five who had left the stronghold. Seventeen children survived and were taken to Hamlin’s agency and divided up among Mormon families.

The Mormons took all the money that the settlers had on them. They gave much of the property to the Indians. The rest was taken and sold and donated to the Church. They took all the jewelry off the bodies, not caring if they mutilated fingers or ears in its removal.

On October 2, eleven Mormon men fleeing Utah through the southern boundary stopped at the site of the massacre. They saw the nude, mutilated bodies still laying there, some partly eaten by wild animals. They told about what they saw when they reached Los Angeles. From there the news spread all over the country. A hue and cry went up to punish the Indians and Mormons responsible.



A Dr. Forney, Superintendent of Utah, investigated the matter. He found the missing children living with white families near Hamlin’s agency. Some of them were old enough to explain exactly what happened. He was amazed that the families who had taken in the children demanded money to repay them for what they had paid the Indians to free the children. He learned that the Indians that died had done so after eating an animal infected from eating a noxious weed, not from being deliberately poisoned by the emigrants. He also learned that this particular tribe had not even been involved in the fight. This contradicted the story that had been given by the Mormons for the Indian uprising.

It wasn’t until the spring of 1859, that an army company went to the meadows and buried the remains. On June 29, fifteen of the seventeen children were sent east in a wagon train escorted by soldiers, John C. Miller and Milium Tackett were kept was witnesses. They testified in Washington D.C., then went home to Arkansas. No one was punished until 1876, when Lee and three others finally went on trial. In the first trial, Lee was acquitted, being as there were nine Mormon men on the jury. The U.S. government proclaimed the jury selection as invalid and declared a second trial. By then, the Mormon church decided that they should sacrifice Lee and the others to improve their own standing. The witnesses in the second trial all of a sudden remembered everything that happened. Lee was found guilty of murder. On March 23, 1877, he was executed at the scene of the massacre.


Below is a short history of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, as it appears on the memorial in Harrison, Arkansas.

The Mountain Meadows Massacre

In memory of 140 men, women and children, Northwest Arkansas emigrants to California in 1857 under leadership of Alexander Fancher (Piney Alex) left from Caravan Spring 4 miles south of here around May 1st - camped at Mountain Meadows, Utah in early September - attacked by Indians directed by Mormons - fought for several days until ammunition exhausted - approached by Mormons under flag of truce - promised protection - surrendered - all were then killed except 17 small children - found later in Mormon homes - rescued by Army in 1859 - taken to Arkansas - cared for by relatives - John D. Lee, Mormon bishop, tried - found guilty - executed in 1877 - confessed guilt and Mormon complicity - consult Russells Behind These Ozark Hills (1947) Goodspeeds History of Arkansas (1889) p. 346 - 350 in regional library Harrison.

Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord.
Romans 12:19

Small children not killed
Milum & William - children of Pleasant Tackett
Angeline & George Ann - children of L. D. Dunlap
Martha Elizabeth - Sarah F. - W. T. - children of G. W. Baker
Rebecca J. - Sarah E. - Louisa - children of Jesse Dunlap
John Calvin - Mary - Joseph - children of Josiah Miller
Kit Carson & Tryphina - children of Alexander Fancher
F. M. Jones - child of J. M. Jones
Sophronia - child of Peter Huff



Below is the inscription of the back side of the monument at Harrison, Arkansas. It provides an incomplete list of the victims of the massacre.

Those Killed
From Carroll Co. Arkansas
Alexander Fancher - Wife Eliza Ingram -
Their children: Hampton - William - Mary -
Thomas - Martha - Sarah G. - Margaret A.
George W. Baker - Wife - Child
John I. Baker - Abel Baker
Milum Rush - Allen Deshazo
David W. Beller - Jrs Mathew Fancher
Robert T. Fancher - Melissa Ann Beller

From Marion Co. Arkansas
Chas R. Mitchell - Wife - Child
Joel D. Mitchell - Lawson Mitchell
Wm. Pruett - John Pruett
Jesse Dunlap - Wife - 6 Children
Rachel Dunlap - Ruth Dunlap
L. D. Dunlap - 5 Children
Wm. Wood - Solomon Wood
Richard Wilson

From Johnson Co. Arkansas
J. Milum Jones - Wife - Child
Pleasant Tackett - Wife - 2 Children
Cintha Tackett - 3 Children
Ambrose Tackett - Miriam Tackett
William Cambron - Wife - 5 Children
Josiah Miller - Wife - 5 Children
Peter Huff - Wife - Their children:
Angeline - Annie - Ephriam W.

Wm. Eaton - Indiana - Wm. A. Aden - Tenn.

Residence Unknown
John Melvin Sorel - Mary Sorel
Francis Horn - Joseph Miller - Wife
Other Names in Caravan
Mortons - Haydons - Hudsons -
Hamiltons - Smiths - Laffoons

OTHERS UNKNOWN




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To: snippy_about_it
Nice touch executing the criminal at the spot.

Yeah, I thought that was pretty good too.

41 posted on 09/11/2003 6:46:24 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: SAMWolf
:( It makes me sick. Wish I could think of something intelligent to add to your comment, but my mind is numbing out here.
42 posted on 09/11/2003 6:47:02 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: jriemer
Good Morning and thanks for providing the link to the Memorial Thread, jriemer.
43 posted on 09/11/2003 6:49:58 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: SAMWolf
I was watching a show on PBS last night after I got home from work. It brought it all back again, the rage the desire for blood. Who in the hell do these people(?) think they are?
I keep the rage in a little place way down deep inside, feed it enough to keep it alive. FORGET?? Not (f-ing) likely!!
44 posted on 09/11/2003 6:50:19 AM PDT by Valin (America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy.)
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To: SpookBrat
It's hard to make any comment about an event like this.

Just like in the WTC/Pentagon attacks, there's no understanding people who would do things like this.
45 posted on 09/11/2003 6:55:38 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: Valin
I'm with you Valin.

IMHO, payback hasn't been enough yet.

Now let's hunt these bastards down where ever they hide and exterminate them. No negotiations, No reasoning, No prisoners. Just dead.

"200 years from now, I want their children's children's children's children to cower and cringe in fear whenever they hear the sounds of jet engines overhead because their legends tell of fire from the sky.

I want them to hide in dark caves and holes in the earth, shivering with terror whenever they hear the roar of diesel engines because the tales of their ancestors talk about metal monsters crawling over the earth, spitting death and destruction.

I want their mothers to be able to admonish them with "If you don't behave, the Pale Destroyers will come for you", and that will be enough to reduce them to quivering obesience.

I want the annihilation to be so complete that their mythology will tell them of the day of judgment when the stern gods from across the sea .. the powerful 'Mericans .. destroyed their forefathers' wickedness."

I believe there's something about "Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord", I just want to send a lot of them to the Lord so He can mete out His vengence

46 posted on 09/11/2003 7:01:00 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: SAMWolf
Thanks for all your tireless service on the FReeper Foxhole through all the days and weeks.
47 posted on 09/11/2003 7:07:42 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
Morning Glory Snip and Sam~

"You hope that learning from history makes a better tomorrow . . ." You'd hope.

On this day of remembrance, I want to thank God for his continued hedge of protection around our country and our troops as they cut off the fingers of Lucifer throughout the world.

Thanks S&S for your tireless efforts in providing us the daily Foxhole and it’s historical integrity.

Ted, Jr.
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48 posted on 09/11/2003 7:37:53 AM PDT by w_over_w (Middle age is when you choose cereal for the fiber, not the toy.)
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To: SAMWolf; snippy_about_it; All
Let the message go forth to the Al Qaeda, other terrorists, and those who want to back them anywhere on the globe. Think you're tough? You want to kill our families, blow up civilians? Stand by! We are sending our very best to hunt you down and take you out. These are the guys who are coming to get you. These are the guys who will climb into the mountains and into the darkened caves halfway around the world and look you in the eye, toe to toe, with any weapon at hand (ours or yours), to take you out. These guys have trained longer, are stronger, harder, faster, tougher, and more relentless and lethal than anything you will ever produce. And we will arm them with the best money can buy, from Spectre gunships and thermobaric bombs to knives sharper than any box cutter you can sneak on a plane. They are now on your trail. They're hunting you down. How's it feel to be a terrorist now? Never bring a box cutter to a Jihad.
~Fri 22 Mar 23:40:20 EST; From the battlefield

49 posted on 09/11/2003 7:56:54 AM PDT by w_over_w (Each one hopes that if it feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. ~Churchill)
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To: SAMWolf
Geeeeez. Another piece of American history that I knew nothing about.
50 posted on 09/11/2003 7:59:43 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: jriemer
Thanks jriemer.

It's been a lot easier since Snippy has been my partner.
51 posted on 09/11/2003 8:09:43 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: snippy_about_it
I just came home from school. Samwise Jr. narrated part of their 9/11 remembrance. I'm proud of her; she was great. Actually, I'm proud of the whole dang school. The kids created a PowerPoint presentation and mixed just exactly the right amount of scenes. They recited the pledge, sang America the Beautiful, and God Bless America. The slides were of majestic America, 9/11, the military, Arlington, etc. and it was the perfect mix. Jr. narrated the part about how 9/11 brought out the best of America. She had told me she stumbled on the word "selfless," but either she did better than she thought or they have a good mixer--because I thought she did great.
52 posted on 09/11/2003 8:10:10 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: w_over_w
Good Morning w_over_w.

Maybe some day people will actually learn from history.
53 posted on 09/11/2003 8:11:33 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: w_over_w
Dear Terrorists,

I am Naval Aviator. I was born and raised in a small town in New England. I come from a family of five. I was raised in a middle class home and taught my values by my mother and father. My dad worked a series of jobs in finance and my mom took care of us kids. We were not an overly religious family but attended church most Sundays. It was a nice small Episcopal Church. I had a brother and sister and I was the youngest in my family. I was the first in many generations to attend college.

I have flown Naval aircraft for 16 years. For me the flying was never a lifelong dream or a "calling," it just happened. I needed a job and I liked the challenge. I continue to do it today because I feel it is important to give back to a nation which has given so much to me. I do it because although will never be rich, my family will be comfortable. I do it because many of my friends have left for the airlines and someone has to do it.

My government has spent millions to train me to fly these multi-million dollar aircraft. I make about 70,000 dollars a year and after 20 years will be offered a pension.

I like baseball but think the players make too much money. I am in awe of firemen and policemen and what they do each day for my community.

I respect my elders and always use sir or ma'am when addressing a stranger. I'm not sure about kids these days but I think that's normal for every generation.

I voted for George Bush not for his IQ but because I like him. I think I made a pretty good choice.

I tell you all this because when I come for you, I want you to know me.

I won't be hiding behind a woman or a child. I won't be disguised or pretending to be something I am not. I will be in a US issue flight suit. I will be wearing standard US issue flight gear, and I will be flying a navy aircraft clearly marked as a US warplane.

I wish we could meet up close in a small room where I could wrap my hands around your throat and slowly squeeze the life out of you but unfortunately you're hiding in a hole in the ground so we will have to do this a different way.

I want you to know also that I am very good at what I do. I can put a 2,000 lb weapon through a window from 10,000 feet up. I generally only fly at night so you may want to start sleeping during the day. I am not eager to die for my country but I am willing to sacrifice my life to protect it from animals like you.

I will do everything in my power to ensure no civilians are hurt as I take aim at you.

My countrymen are a forgiving bunch. Many are already forgetting what you did on Sept 11th. But I will not forget, and my President will not forget.

I am coming. I hope you know me a little bit better, see you soon...sleep tight.

Signed....a US Navy Pilot


54 posted on 09/11/2003 8:14:33 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: SAMWolf
I'll NEVER understand how people can use their Religion to justify killing those who believe differently from them.

I think there's a special place in Hell for people who commit autrocies in God's name.

55 posted on 09/11/2003 8:15:03 AM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise
Don't feel bad, I didn't know about it either until I "stumbled" onto it while researching another subject.
56 posted on 09/11/2003 8:15:54 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: Samwise
Thanks for sharing that with us Samwise. Give Jr a hug from the Foxhole Team.
57 posted on 09/11/2003 8:17:17 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: Samwise
I think there's a special place in Hell for people who commit autrocies in God's name

I sure hope so.

58 posted on 09/11/2003 8:18:11 AM PDT by SAMWolf (US Marines - Technical Support for 72VirginsDating.mil (Thanks jriemer))
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To: SAMWolf; w_over_w
Great posts by both of you. I want them all dead too. Take no prisoners, no mercy.

I had a picture of a bomb on a plane aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt from 2001 that said, "We're not here to judge but to deliver unto judgement", with the bible quote below it that you mentioned. "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord".
59 posted on 09/11/2003 8:24:01 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Samwise
That's good to hear. I'm glad schools are letting the teachers and kids do this. I hope it's more widespread than we think. The media probably won't report on the common rememberances but the PC ones.
60 posted on 09/11/2003 8:27:08 AM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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