The FReeper Foxhole Remembers The Fall of the Alamo - Mar. 6th, 2003

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[SAMWolf]

ROTFL!

[SAMWolf]

Morning Jen

[SAMWolf]

Thanks Cote.

The Bud & Travis version of that song is the first 45 I ever bought. I still have it.

[Jen]

Welcome new FReepers! Here's a great daily thread in the VetsCoR Forum that I thought you might like.

If you do, just say so and I'll 'ping' you when it's time to "Fall In" to the FReeper Foxhole!

Come meet some of the FReepers who call the Foxhole their FR home. (No need to wipe your feet before you dive in.)

:-) Jen

[Jen]

Good morning Sam! I want to stay in the Foxhole and read this thread and hang out, but I cannot procrastinate any longer on my report for an English class. :-( I'll pop in on breaks.

[SpookBrat]

Texas ping. Gotta go to work now. I'll be back later. Love you all.

[SAMWolf]

Morning Spooky.

[twigs]

Unsolved Mysteries on the History Channel featured the Alamo last night--I found it fascinating. Apparently, the north wall was three feet and that prevented the defenders from being able to shoot the enemy without exposing themselves to enemy fire. Also, it covered the diary found in the 1950's of Mexican officer de la Pena who couldn't stand Santa Anna--and languished in jail because of his criticism of his leader. One is his (disputed) writings said that a group of Texans, including Crockett, escaped and were executed by Santa Anna. Preliminary scientific and archeological evidence supports de la Pena's accuracy.

[SAMWolf]

Good luck on your report.

English class? I didn't know they spoke English in Georgia? LOL! ;-)

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[HiJinx]

A snippet of biographical information about LtCol Travis from The Handbook of Texas On-Line.

Travis arrived in Texas early in 1831, after the Law of April 6, 1830 made his immigration illegal. He arrived at San Felipe de Austin, and on May 21 obtained land from Stephen F. Austin. He listed his marital status as single, although he was still married. He established a legal practice in Anahuac, a significant port of entry located on the eastern end of Galveston Bay. The purpose of the move there was to establish himself in an area where there were few attorneys while he learned the official language, Spanish. He traveled the country doing legal work and became associated with a group of militants who opposed the Law of April 6, 1830. Eventually this group became known as the war party as tension increased between the Mexican government and American settlers in Texas. Travis had many occasions to oppose the commander of the Mexican garrison at Anahuac, Col. John Davis Bradburn, a Kentuckian in the service of Mexico. Bradburn enforced the anti-immigration law, refused to allow state officials to alienate land to American settlers arriving after the passage of the law, and allegedly used materials and slaves belonging to the settlers to build his camp.

[manna]

Present!

[SAMWolf]

I've heard the theory that some defenders, including Crockett were captured and executed. I didn't see that show last night. DIdi they bring out any other evidence other than la Pena's diary?

[SAMWolf]

Thanks HiJinx for Travis's biography

[Jen]

Hi there new FReeper! Here's a Foxhole I think you may like. Come visit and meet some great veteran FReepers and people who love our country and troops.

[hardhead]

Good Morning from Wyoming! I just posted a new link to G. I. Memories for the 601st AC&W Squadron which directed air traffic in the Berlin air corridor (back when the Germans needed us). I also have initiated a new section entitle 'Chaplain's Corner'. This is for on-line ministries devoted to the military and veterans of all the U.S. armed forces. If you are a veteran yourself and have such a site, please send the link to me (click on the e-mail link).

[SAMWolf]

Morning hardhead.

[society-by-contract]

TexIANS? Is that correct?

[twigs]

No, except that they are trying to authenticate what he wrote in his diary. I was taught in an American History class several years ago that Crockett and some associates were executed. I assumed at the time that that was general knowledge, or at least widely accepted. Since then, I've not seen the evidence for it until last night.

The de la Pena diary is debatable, although evidence slowly builds that it is real. The collector that "found" it was less than credible. There are two manuscripts--one shown to be in de la Pena's hand, probably written at the time of the events. The second is not in his hand; apparently, it was written while he was in prison. He was too ill to write, so he transcribed it. Hands-writing experts seem inclined to think that it's the real thing for a number of reasons. But it's the one in doubt and it's the one that mentions the executions in one paragraph.

Some archeologists looked at his descriptions of landmarks and, with the use of satellite images and GPS systems, have located an area where he said a city was located (they found chards and it's today in the middle of a desert), a fork in a road the exact distance from the city like he noted and soldier-type relicts that would indicate troops had traveled it in the past. Pretty interesting stuff.

The name to remember is Jake Ivey. He is a man who has done decades of research and it was his findings that were plugged into a computer and developed into 3-D pictures. He discovered, for instance, that the north wall was 3 feet thick.