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To: auboy; 06isweak; 0scill8r; 100American; 100%FEDUP; 101st-Eagle; 101stSignal; 101viking; 10mm; ...
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26 posted on 12/26/2002 9:51:21 AM PST by Jen
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Good morning, Jen! How are you doing today? I finished my first project that I was working on!!! Whew! Now I have a smaller one of the same type which should be a piece of cake. Then I get to break out the sewing machine and have some fun!!! :) Just needed to clear the table top. :)
27 posted on 12/26/2002 9:56:40 AM PST by MistyCA
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Bump for the Foxhole.
30 posted on 12/26/2002 10:09:27 AM PST by E.G.C.
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Can you believe THIS?:

Article on FR:
SEN. MURRAY'S PRO-BIN LADEN STATEMENTS
QUOTED ON TALIBAN WEBSITE!


http://muslimthai.com/talibanonline/article.php?sid=1360&mode=thread&order=0


Democrat senator praises bin Laden
Posted on Monday, December 23 @ 14:36:54 ICT By Pak Taliban
Osama bin Laden December 20, 2002, By Art Moore

SEATTLE – Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., told a group of high-school students in her state that the U.S. should adopt Osama bin Laden's nation-building tactics.

"We've got to ask, why is this man so popular around the world?" said Murray, according to the Vancouver Columbian newspaper. "Why are people so supportive of him in many countries that are riddled with poverty?"



The second-term senator, who faces re-election in 2004, was responding to questions from world history students and student government leaders at Columbia River High School in Vancouver, Wash., on Wednesday.

Murray said, according to the Vancouver paper, that bin Laden has been "out in these countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."

"How would they look at us today if we had been there helping them with some of that rather than just being the people who are going to bomb in Iraq and go to Afghanistan?" Murray asked.

Murray, chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in the 107th Congress, voted against an October Senate resolution – passed by a 77-23 margin – that gives President Bush authority to use military force against Saddam Hussein's regime.

Murray concluded the session with students by challenging them to consider alternatives to war, the Columbian reported. She said that while building up Third World nations is costly, war is expensive too.

"Your generation ought to be thinking about whether we should be better neighbors out in other countries so that they have a different vision of us," said Murray. "It is a debate I think we ought to have."

(The rest of the story trie's to put down Osama with the same old rubbish and a thought, is this why the Kuffar in Afghanistan are trying to set bases of the so called reconstruction phase, thinking if they look like helping the Afghan's that they might start to like them or something? No doubt the Russians did the same thing. What would please us is when you pack and go. (in sha Allah )

Full Version Here

31 posted on 12/26/2002 10:14:05 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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The Hessians were drunk from a night of dissipation;
our fathers were sober in resolution to win or else.

...and the rest is history...
32 posted on 12/26/2002 10:20:48 AM PST by VOA
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To: AntiJen
thanks for the ping & Good morning/afternoon (-:
34 posted on 12/26/2002 10:23:03 AM PST by firewalk
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Good morning Jen.


37 posted on 12/26/2002 10:40:46 AM PST by Aeronaut
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Well good evening everybody

Late news off BBC wire reporting that Brit troops has been deploy near Kuwait border alongside the US troops that station there

Also CS Moniter reporting that start next year don't be suprise if AL Jadezza network come to your local cable system

COOL RACK ITT
90 posted on 12/26/2002 4:26:32 PM PST by SevenofNine
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Bump ...
102 posted on 12/26/2002 8:32:59 PM PST by manna
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Howdy AJ...The Cap'n just emailed this to me...just wanna say Merry Christmas to my kid brother, doing his AF stint over in Germany, and his beautiful wife and boy, as well as the little one who'll be born any day now...

Washington Post
> November 26, 2002
> Pg. 29
"My Heart On The Line"
> By Frank Schaeffer

"Before my son became a Marine, I never thought much about who was defending me. Now when I read of the war on terrorism or the coming conflict in Iraq, it cuts to my heart. When I see a picture of a member of our military who has been killed, I read his or her name very carefully. Sometimes I cry.

"In 1999, when the barrel-chested Marine recruiter showed up in dress blues and bedazzled my son John, I did not stand in the way. John was headstrong, and he seemed to understand these stern, clean men with straight backs and flawless uniforms. I did not. I live on the Volvo-driving, higher education-worshiping North Shore of Boston. I write novels for a living. I have never served in the military. It had been hard enough sending my two older children off to Georgetown and New York University. John's enlisting was unexpected, so deeply unsettling. I did not relish the prospect of answering the question "So where is John going to college?" from the parents who were itching to tell me all about how their son or daughter was going to Harvard. At the private high school John attended, no other students were going into the military.

"But aren't the Marines terribly Southern?" asked one perplexed mother while standing next to me at the brunch following graduation. "What a waste, he was such a good student," said another parent. One parent (a professor at a nearby and rather famous university) spoke up at a school meeting and suggested that the school should "carefully evaluate what went wrong."

"When John graduated from three months of boot camp on Parris Island, 3,000 parents and friends were on the parade deck stands. We parents and our Marines not only were of many races but also were representative of many economic classes. Many were poor. Some arrived crammed in the backs of pickups, others by bus. John told me that a lot of parents could not afford the trip. We in the audience were white and Native American. We were Hispanic, Arab and African American and Asian. We were former Marines wearing the scars of battle, or at least baseball caps emblazoned with battles' names. We were Southern whites from Nashville and skinheads from New Jersey, black kids from Cleveland wearing ghetto rags and white ex-cons with ham-hock forearms defaced by jailhouse tattoos. We would not have been mistaken for the educated and well-heeled parents gathered on the lawns of John's private school a half-year before.

"After graduation one new Marine told John, "Before I was a Marine, if I had ever seen you on my block I would've probably killed you just because you were standing there." This was a serious statement from one of John's good friends, an African American ex-gang member from Detroit who, as John said, "would die for me now, just like I'd die for him."

"My son has connected me to my country in a way that I was too selfish and insular to experience before. I feel closer to the waitress at our local diner than to some of my oldest friends. She has two sons in the Corps. They are facing the same dangers as my boy. When the guy who fixes my car asks me how John is doing, I know he means it. His younger brother is in the Navy.

"Why were I and the other parents at my son's private school so surprised by his choice? During World War II, the sons and daughters of the most powerful and educated families did their bit. If the immorality of the Vietnam War was the only reason those lucky enough to go to college dodged the draft, why did we not encourage our children to volunteer for military service once that war was done? Have we wealthy and educated Americans all become pacifists? Is the world a safe place? Or have we just gotten used to having somebody else defend us?

"What is the future of our democracy when the sons and daughters of the janitors at our elite universities are far more likely to be put in harm's way than are any of the students whose dorms their parents clean? I feel shame because it took my son's joining the Marine Corps to make me take notice of who is defending me!!!

"I feel hope because perhaps my son is part of a future "greatest generation." As the storm clouds of war gather, at least I know that I can look the men and women in uniform in the eye. My son is one of them. He is the best I have to offer. He is my heart."

Frank Schaeffer is a writer. His latest book, co-written with his son, Marine Cpl. John Schaeffer, is "Keeping Faith: A Father-Son Story About Love and the United States Marine Corps."

108 posted on 12/27/2002 5:52:25 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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