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The FReeper Foxhole Remembers Gen. Anthony McAuliffe at Bastonge - Dec. 22nd, 2002
http://www.thedropzone.org/europe/Bulge/kinnard.html ^ | Patrick O'Donnell

Posted on 12/22/2002 12:03:28 AM PST by SAMWolf

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"NUTS!" Revisited


An Interview with Lt. General Harry W. O. Kinnard


On December 16, 1944, the Germans launched their largest offensive of the war on the Western Front. The primary goals of the offensive were to capture the Belgian port of Antwerp and to drive a wedge between the British and American armies. This offensive is often referred to as the "Battle of the Bulge." It's failure was due largely to American resistance around St. Vith, on the northern shoulder of the Bulge, and by American forces holding Bastogne on the southern shoulder of the Bulge.

The town of Bastogne is strategically located at the center of the road network of the Ardennes. The Germans referred to it as a "road octopus" since the majority of roads in that region of the Ardennes pass through the town. The town's strategic location made it vitally important to the outcome of the offensive. The Allies realized its importance and General Eisenhower dispatched the 101st Airborne Division to hold the town at all costs. This victory resulted in the first full Army Division Presidential Distinguished Unit Citation.

This interview focuses on the story surrounding the German's request for the American forces at Bastogne to surrender and the American General's response as witnessed by Lt. General Harry Kinnard, at the time of the siege of Bastogne, a Lt. Col. and Division G-3. These are some of his personal recollections.



We got into Bastogne late on the night of 18 December, 1944. We were not well equipped, having just gotten out of combat in Holland. We were particularly short of winter clothing and footwear. On the 21st of December we became completely surrounded by Germans and our field hospital was overrun by a German attack. We had put the hospital in what would normally have been a safe place, but no place is safe when you are completely surrounded. At this time, we were not able to receive air resupply because the weather was absolutely frightful. It was very, very cold and snowy. Visibility was often measured in yards. Our lack of winter gear was partially offset by the citizens of Bastogne who gave us blankets and white linens that we used for camouflage.

While we were still surrounded, on the morning of December 22, a German surrender party, consisting of two officers and two NCOs, and carrying a white flag, approached our perimeter in the area of our Glider Regiment, the 327th. The party was taken to a nearby platoon command post. While the enlisted men were detained the officers were blind folded and taken to the command post of the 327th where they presented their surrender ultimatum. The ultimatum in essence said the 101st's position was hopeless and that if we elected not to surrender a lot of bad things would happen.



The message was brought in to the Division Headquarters by Major Alvin Jones, the S-3, and Colonel Harper, the Regimental Commander. They brought the message to me, the G-3 and Paul Danahy, the G-2. My first reaction was that this was a German ruse, designed to get our men out of their fox holes. But be that as it might, we agreed that we needed to take the message up the line. We took it first to the acting Chief of Staff of the Division, Lt. Col. Ned Moore. With him, we took the message to the acting Division Commander General Tony McAuliffe. Moore told General McAuliffe that we had a German surrender ultimatum. The General's first reaction was that the Germans wanted to surrender to us. Col. Moore quickly disabused him of that notion and explained that the German's demanded our surrender. When McAuliffe heard that he laughed and said: "Us surrender? Aw, nuts!" the date was December 22nd, 1944

To the U.S.A. Commander of the encircled town of Bastogne.

The fortune of war is changing. This time the U.S.A. forces in and near Bastogne have been encircled by strong German armored units. More German armored units have crossed the river Our near Ortheuville, have taken Marche and reached St. Hubert by passing through Hompre-Sibret-Tillet. Libramont is in German hands.

There is only one possibility to save the encircled U.S.A. troops from total annihilation: that is the honorable surrender of the encircled town. In order to think it over a term of two hours will be granted beginning with the presentation of this note.

If this proposal should be rejected one German Artillery Corps and six heavy A. A. Battalions are ready to annihilate the U.S.A. troops in and near Bastogne. The order for firing will be given immediately after this two hours' term.

All the serious civilian losses caused by this artillery fire would not correspond with the well known American humanity.

The German Commander.


But then McAuliffe realized that some sort of reply was in order. He pondered for a few minutes and then told the staff, "Well I don't know what to tell them." He then asked the staff what they thought, and I spoke up, saying, "That first remark of yours would be hard to beat." McAuliffe said, "What do you mean?" I answered, "Sir, you said 'Nuts'." All members of the staff enthusiastically agreed, and McAuliffe decided to send that one word, "Nuts!" back to the Germans. McAuliffe then wrote down:

"To the German Commander,

"Nuts!"

The American Commander."


McAuliffe then asked Col. Harper to deliver the message to the Germans. Harper took the typed message back to the company command post where the two German officers were detained. Harper then told the Germans that he had the American commanders reply. The German captain then asked, "Is it written or verbal?" Harper responded that it was written and added, "I will place it in your hand."

The German major then asked, "Is the reply negative or affirmative? If it is the latter I will negotiate further."



At this time the Germans were acting in an arrogant and patronizing manner and Harper, who was starting to lose his temper, responded, "The reply is decidedly not affirmative." He then added that, "If you continue your foolish attack your losses will be tremendous."

Harper then put the German officers in a jeep and took them back to where the German enlisted men were detained. He then said to the German captain, "If you don't know what 'Nuts' means, in plain English it is the same as 'Go to Hell'. And I'll tell you something else, if you continue to attack we will kill every goddam German that tries to break into this city."

The German major and captain saluted very stiffly. The captain said, "We will kill many Americans. This is war." Harper then responded, "On your way Bud," he then said, "and good luck to you." Harper later told me he always regretted wishing them good luck.



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To: SpookBrat
Clothes and a new bag for school
161 posted on 12/22/2002 6:28:17 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Darksheare
ROFL!

"so we asked him what the German said when he'd given the guy his knife. Grandpa goes, "He said 'AAuuuuugh.'"

I'm reading the thread now. Your grandpa has both my husband and myself laughing here. LOL

162 posted on 12/22/2002 6:28:32 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
;-)

bf
163 posted on 12/22/2002 6:29:40 PM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: SAMWolf
SAM! How boring. What? No diamonds?
164 posted on 12/22/2002 6:29:51 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: Darksheare
Yuk! I don't blame him.

I'm glad he died happy and peacefully. What a blessing. I'm sure you must miss him very much.

165 posted on 12/22/2002 6:31:06 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
That was his style of describing things. Now mind you, in actuality the German had come crawling up to his position saying, 'Joe, are you there? Joe?' before jumping into the hole with Grandpa. Grandpa thought about it before the guy got there and decided taht the German probably had backup, so he pulled his knife out. The guy jumped in, gramps grabbed him and gave him a gift.
Then he had to wait all night before finding out if he'd just knifed one of his own. Once there was enough light to see by, he saw this German guy who obviously didn't appreciate the gift.
166 posted on 12/22/2002 6:32:08 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: SpookBrat
Gramps wasn't really that much of a nice guy. Back in civilian life he helped a friend's bar who'd had their place robbed. He stayed overnight in the bar. (Toledo Ohio circa 50's) He watched a bunch of clowns come in, and fired his guns at them. There was some blood, but no bodies. They'd gotten back into their car and never came back to the bar.
(Grandpa was a kinda scary guy, but he always tried to make it funny. Again, in civilian life, he had the Toledo cops looking for him. So he went to the police station and waited. The cops never found him. So they gave up.)
167 posted on 12/22/2002 6:35:31 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: MistyCA
Thanks for this good information. 1st Lt Mary E. (Pickett)Smith should get a medal for raising 6 kids. :)
168 posted on 12/22/2002 6:39:56 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: AntiJen; All
Is there a JAG or former JAG in the FReeper foxhole. If so, could you please send me a FReepmail or contact me on yahoo messenger at shirokumaoyaji?

I am in the middle of an editorial-letter contest (Japan Times) regarding the U.S. Army Sargeant Jenkins who defected to North Korea and who married one of the kidnapped Japanese who has since returned to Japan. I need to fortify my opinions with some hard facts.
169 posted on 12/22/2002 6:47:22 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Darksheare
He sounds like a real character.

My mother's father (we don't know much about) was similar. What we do know is he was extremely brave, courageous and was somewhat of a crazy warrior. He parachuted into France and killed many people, some even with his bare hands. Yuck! I don't like hearing about it. We only know a few stories.

Anyway, in civilian life, he was sadly a horrible alcoholic who cheated on my grandmother a lot. My mother was named Jacqueline after one of his French girlfriends. LOL How my grandmother could allow that, I'll never know. From what I know, he was a good man, just lacked some common sense marbles. He wasted his life away and died in a condemned house of Cirrhosis. I remember being a little girl and visiting him in a VA hospital.

My grandmother and mother cried and cried and cried when he died. I remember my grandmother saying, "I always loved him, I just couldn't live with him". :(

I often wonder how the “war demons” affected his life.

170 posted on 12/22/2002 7:01:27 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SAMWolf
Fascinating SAM. I would love to talk to your mother someday. You're aunt was a smart lady.
171 posted on 12/22/2002 7:05:00 PM PST by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
She got that last year. LOL!
172 posted on 12/22/2002 7:14:19 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SpookBrat
I think you'd like my Mom.
173 posted on 12/22/2002 7:16:15 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: All


U.S. soldiers keep a minute of silence for a U.S. soldier who was killed on Dec. 20th in Afghanistan Saturday Dec. 21, 2002 at the U.S. base in Kandahar. One U.S. soldier was killed in a firefight Saturday while another was injured by rocket fire in a separate incident. The slain soldier was shot while on a nighttime operation in the eastern province of Paktika, near the border of Pakistan. An army statement from Fort Bragg, N.C. identified him as an 82nd Airborne Division paratrooper Sgt. Steven Checo, 22.. He was the first U.S. soldier killed in combat in Afghanistan since August.



Sgt. Steven Checo, 22
Delta Company, 2nd Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment.

174 posted on 12/22/2002 7:25:07 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: MistyCA; AntiJen; SpookBrat; SAMWolf
Hi Misty, I know I haven't talked to you guys lately. I hope everything is going well.

I can't believe we are so close to Christmas. Time sure flies.


175 posted on 12/22/2002 7:28:19 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: AntiJen
Hope you're still in the Foxhole.

Of course I am. I've been busy lately, but it's gonna get better.

I HOPE SO! lol.

176 posted on 12/22/2002 7:30:31 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: SpookBrat
Hi Spooky. Good to see you!!
177 posted on 12/22/2002 7:31:13 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul; Fiddlstix
Thanks for the Christmas Music Victoria.

I miss Fiddletix' Christmas posts.
178 posted on 12/22/2002 7:35:02 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
You're quite welcome, Sam.
179 posted on 12/22/2002 7:41:56 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Ronin
I would bet there is a JAG in the Foxhole, but I don't know one personally. Let me ask over our PA system.

Is there a JAG or former JAG in the FReeper foxhole?

If so, would you please freepmail Ronin who has some questions for you. Thank you.

180 posted on 12/22/2002 8:17:58 PM PST by Jen
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