Posted on 12/03/2021 4:50:58 AM PST by Scarlett156
...After he saw our story on the “Chase Wave,” he wanted us to know that something very similar happened to him....
If you remember, we posted a document sent in by a new source who said it was a step-by-step instruction sheet that Scientology’s “registrars” were given, explaining to them how to lie to Chase credit card operators in order to open up new credit card accounts for cash-poor Scientology members, and then max out those cards with Scientology charges in order to saddle members with huge debts. The “Chase Wave” involved opening up a series of different Chase cards in order to obtain a huge zero-interest credit limit. Scientology was the beneficiary, and our source said the scam was literally bankrupting Scientologists and had led to Chase blacklisting the church.
After we posted that document, two former Scientologists who recently left the organization, Mark Fladd and George McAlpine, both came forward on the record, using their full names, and said they had been subjected to the Chase Wave (Fladd) and witnessed the Chase blacklisting (McAlpine).
Now, yet another recent defector is willing to put his name forward and confirm that he was subjected to a similar credit card scheme while a member of Scientology.
“Once they figured out I had Navy Federal and good credit, they pressured me in a very unfair way to max out my credit card and take a personal loan that I am now defaulted on, as I went way over my debt to income ratio,” Adam says.
Hang on, we said. They were doing the Chase Wave to you on your Navy Federal card?
Navy Federal is the largest credit union in the country, serving some 10 million veterans and their families.
(Excerpt) Read more at tonyortega.org ...
Like they’ve been learning from the RATS in congress.
“they pressured me in a very unfair way to max out my credit card and take a personal loan that I am now defaulted on, as I went way over my debt to income ratio,”
This one of the reasons scientology is worth billions.
Anyone who hasn’t watched Leah Remini’s series needs to.
When they gained recognition as a 501(c)(3) organization and couldn’t be touched by the is it was over IMO.
Also IMO scientology is straight out of hell...literally.
IRS
A hive of scum and villainy
Even Westboro Church looks at Scientology and says “That is just way overboard”
yes, we pity the suckers scammed by Scientology while we are collectively having our credit used to run up unfathomable debts by our deep state - we are the suckers
““Once they figured out I had Navy Federal and good credit, they pressured me in a very unfair way to max out my credit card and take a personal loan that I am now defaulted on, as I went way over my debt-to-income ratio,” Adam says.”
Must wonder he knew about debt-to-income ratio before maxing out his credit card and taking a personal loan.
I would think the average American would know what a debt-to-income ratio is?
Sounds like this person would have done the same thing without Scientology.
In the end it is a person choice to go into debt. Next people will want to pass laws to protect dumb people and while they are at it forgive Student loans.
I was just reading another member’s post about how Russia has outlawed Scientology and is putting them in prison just for being scientologists. I’m not sure that’s the way to handle it - creating martyrs for the cause - but rescinding their tax exemption definitely needs to happen here in the USA, and prosecution for the many scams they run and the harm they do to families.
That they perform this larceny right out in the open in the name of religion should infuriate every religious person.
Scientology is NOT a religion.
Ms Remini’s “Aftermath” series is excellent to learn about Scientology. It’s outrageous that they’ve become so entrenched in our celebrity-worshiping culture.
Good point. :\
“”Anyone who hasn’t watched Leah Remini’s series needs to.
When they gained recognition as a 501(c)(3) organization and
couldn’t be touched by the is it was over IMO.””
I remember her telling and I believe showing in that series the number of publications/tapes etc., she had to purchase and it was in the tens of thousands of dollars. Excellent series. The IRS should definitely withdraw the tax exemption. They’ve had enough evidence given to them over the years to just get it done!!
Not sure what you omitted in your above sentence - “by the is it”...maybe you intended to write government?
“”Ms Remini’s “Aftermath” series is excellent to learn about Scientology.””
Is that the original series or is there a new one I’ve missed? “Aftermath” meaning everything she divulged about the cult or AFTER she set about revealing all the “secrets?” I don’t recall what the original series was called but it was excellent.
It takes guts to admit that you’ve been pressured and scammed, however. That’s how it works - once you realize you got scammed, you don’t want to admit it so they get away with it. Others on the verge of being scammed see that no one is complaining and that everyone seems happy and satisfied, so they jump in, too. And the fact that a large organization like Navy Federal is involved adds legitimacy.
You’re right that going into debt involves personal choice. But does that make the scam okay? A lot of folks will never speak of being scammed because they’re ashamed that they let it happen. Many commit suicide, which is also a personal choice - and thus a family is destroyed because of shame and silence.
Another scam that Scientology runs is Narconon - in this scam, families dealing with members who are substance abusers are bilked out of many thousands of dollars to put their addict sons/daughters into residential treatment. When they check on “narconon” to see if it works, there are nothing but success stories - you have to really search to find the truth, and in desperation people say to themselves “this seems legit” and fork over huge sums of non-refundable cash. If they figure it out and try to sue to get their money back, they run into a brick wall: “You asked for it.” “Is this your name on this contract?” and so on.
What happens a lot of the time - most of the time - is that whoever is put into a Narconon facility usually ends up leaving after a very short time and the family never gets its $40,000 back.
Yeah, these families make poor decisions motivated by the desire to do something about a drug-addicted family member, which as I’m sure you know is more than an academic problem. The fact that you’ll have a school counselor or some person of authority saying “Narconon will fix your son/daughter - here’s a pamphlet about all the people they’ve helped” is going to be a factor in your decision.
That Scientology is designated as a religion in the USA exempts them from a large portion of the usual penalty for scamming people out of large sums of money.
People are finally starting to get wise about Narconon. Their number of facilities has dwindled quite a bit just in a few short years.
“Sounds like this person would have done the same thing without Scientology.”
Haha, you’re probably right, but at least he would have some cool toys to show for it, instead of a huge hole in his finances; $7000 will buy you a pretty nice jet ski or used motorcycle!
Your point is of course undeniable: We shouldn’t expect for society to bail us out of problems we create for ourselves. Being stupid is not an excuse (believe me on that!)
But still, scammers deserve to be exposed and punished. Somebody who is brave enough to admit he was scammed is helping to save others from falling into the same trap.
Here’s a link to “Aftermath”-related stuff. https://tonyortega.org/scientology-and-the-aftermath-leah-reminis-emmy-winning-ae-series/
I guess they are getting ready to do another series since this one was such a hit...?
Strongly agree. Hubbard was a kook and a criminal but DID believe his own hype in a relatively sincere way. The current Scientology hierarchy are simply sadistic, evil men (and women) who only believe in the scam.
I meant IRS.
Stupid auto correct on my phone....stupider user.
Unfortunately scientology has so much money to pay lawyers I don’t think the IRS wants to tangle with them.
Of all the terrible things scientology does I think the most evil is probably that it tears families apart.
There is that. The manner of obtaining their 501c3 status is also to be noted. When they were repeatedly refused tax-exempt status they went after the workers at the IRS harassing them at work and at their homes until the IRS finally gave in and granted them the status. Truly a thug organization.
Ping.
These folks have mastered the art of separating fools from their money.
Somebody has to do it!
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