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The FReeper Foxhole Reviews "The Myth of the 5 Dead Rebel Generals" - October 30th, 2004
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Posted on 10/30/2004 12:06:05 AM PDT by snippy_about_it



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The Myth of the 5 Dead Rebel Generals




They were killed at Franklin, all right, but it's not true that all five were laid out on the same porch.
by Col. Campbell H. Brown


General John B. Hood on November 30, 1864, launched one of his typically ill-considered attacks on the Federal entrenched position at Franklin, Tennessee. Stanley Horn writes: "...in the last two hours of the day... the combat was waged with a maniacal desperation witnessed on no other field of the war." The Confederates suffered a staggering loss--four times as great as that of Pickett at Gettysburg. In no other battle were so many general officers put out of action: for the Confederates, twelve, of whom five were killed outright and one mortally wounded.

Historians have claimed that after the battle the bodies of Major General Patrick R. Cleburne and Brigadier Generals John Adams, states Rights Gist, Hiram B. Granbury, and Otho F. Strahl were brought in from the bloody field and laid out side by side on the small porch of "Carnton," ancestral McGavock home.


Major General Patrick Ronayne Cleburne


John R. Peacock of High Point, North Carolina, by sound reasoning and the use of a hitherto unpublished source, now concludes that this widely accepted story is not altogether correct. It is true that there were five bodies on Mrs. John McGavock's porch, and three of them were generals: Cleburne, Granbury, and Strahl. The others were Colonel R. B. Young, General Granbury's chief of staff, and Lieutenant John H. Marsh, aide to General Strahl. The five bodies were removed, probably on 1 or 2 December, to Columbia and a day later were interred in Rose Hill Cemetery.


Brigadier General John Adams


Major General Lucius J. Polk, former adjutant general of Tennessee, was outraged when he heard that the five heroes had been buried in that portion of the cemetery set aside as a potters' field for the interment of criminals and indigents. With the aid of Chaplain Charles t. Quintard he had the five officers disinterred and moved to the cemetery of St. John's Church near his home at Ashwood. Later three were again moved to cemeteries at their homes; but the bodies of Young and Marsh still rest at St. John's. Brigadier General Arthur H. Manigault, also a casualty of Franklin, was likewise carried to Polk's home, Hamilton Place, but he survived.


Brigadier General States Rights Gist


Brigadier General John Adams, a native of Nashville, had married a girl at Pulaski. Consequently when he fell at Franklin the sorrowing members of his brigade took him in a wagon to Pulaski, where he was buried on December 1. As Mr. Peacock points out, there was scarcely time for a stopover on McGavock's porch en route. Thomas R. Markham, chaplain of Featherston's brigade, averred, however, that Adams, who was killed at the moment of crossing the Federal barricade, was picked up in an ambulance and taken to the McGavock home.


Brigadier General Hiram B. Granbury


Wiley Howard, body servant to General Gist, gave an account to a biographer of the Gist family in which he says that he searched the field for the body of the general, who he had been told had fallen. He found Gist, who had died at 8:30 p.m. at the brigade field hospital, which had been set up near the home of Judge White (still standing at 724 Fair Street in Franklin). With the help of the brigade surgeon he secured a cedar box as a coffin, which he loaded into an ambulance. He drove to Mrs. White's front door and begged permission to bury the general in the White family cemetery. Mrs. White had the body brought into her parlor, and summoned a minister who held a funeral attended by officers and men from Georgia and South Carolina troops of Gist's brigade. The remains were then buried in the family cemetery. As the army passed back through Franklin after its defeat at Nashville, Wiley or some member of Gist's staff disinterred the body and shipped it to Columbia, South Carolina, where it was buried under a big cedar tree (which I remember) in the family plot in Trinity Churchyard, near the State House.


Brigadier General Otho F. Strahl


Thus, although in war the bodies of the fallen usually receive only temporary field burial and for various reasons become "unknown" dead, in this case the dead generals did receive proper care, and their resting places are known today.






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To: Samwise
We all new States Rights were dead. I didn't know they had a tombstone.

It would have been better if I had spelled "knew" correctly. ....sigh....

That's okay, I got the Gist of it. ;-)

61 posted on 10/30/2004 12:11:47 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: The Mayor

Good morning Mayor.


62 posted on 10/30/2004 12:12:57 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Professional Engineer
I just had to go hunt down your thread and the link for sewing your own flag. Cool idea!

The FReeper Foxhole Celebrates Flag Day - June 14th, 2004

Sew an American Flag

64 posted on 10/30/2004 12:21:22 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Matthew Paul

Good afternoon Matthew. I don't think it will scare the voters. What worries me more than Bin Laden right now is the rallies being put on to encourage Democratic voters to go to the polls. They normally wouldn't care to vote but the Kerry team is providing music and fun and then escorting them to the voting booths where you can vote early. I wish they'd just stay home.


65 posted on 10/30/2004 12:25:21 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf; secret garden
Interesting!

When I was a little kid, I lived in base housing on a now closed Air Force Base in Tennessee. Our street was named after Granbury.

I think it was bulldozed to put in a Nissan factory.

66 posted on 10/30/2004 12:45:59 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (I'm just three lost teeth and a neck tattoo away from being a Soccer Hooligan. Go Gunners!)
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To: Matthew Paul

Good luck on the Ukraine vote tomorrow.


68 posted on 10/30/2004 2:01:14 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: CholeraJoe
I think it was bulldozed to put in a Nissan factory.

:-(

Good afternoon CJ, how's the dating world treating you?

69 posted on 10/30/2004 2:02:32 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it

70 posted on 10/30/2004 2:04:14 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Professional Engineer
Still have compost blowing around Middle Earth?

Front yard down. Back yard to go.

Next week. Repeat. :^(

Hubby is doing it. He told me to sit this one out. I cleaned our gutters Thursday afternoon. After I locked up all the equipment, I walked back around to the front yard. They were almost filled up again from a big gust of wind.

71 posted on 10/30/2004 2:26:47 PM PDT by Samwise (Proud to be a Security Mom married to a NASCAR Dad)
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To: SAMWolf

Children's stories that never made it...
The Attention Deficit Disorder Association's Book of Wild Animals of North Amer-Hey! Let's Go Ride Our Bikes!

Otherwise known as SAM. ;-)

Sam, what say yo...OH look a sparkly thing!


72 posted on 10/30/2004 3:21:19 PM PDT by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: SAMWolf
Here a pic of them there pilots that was waving at y'all earlier this mornin and those old fangled flying machines that they use.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

74 posted on 10/30/2004 3:56:37 PM PDT by alfa6 (Meeting: an event where minutes are kept and hours are lost.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Give me a couple of cross streets and I'll let you know. We were just in Smyrna a couple of weeks ago for a couple of soccer games.


75 posted on 10/30/2004 6:25:15 PM PDT by secret garden (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Hi Grzegorz.


76 posted on 10/30/2004 6:45:35 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Valin
OH look a sparkly thing!

LOL. Two peas in a pod I see.

77 posted on 10/30/2004 6:46:55 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: alfa6

I love the paint job on those planes.


78 posted on 10/30/2004 6:47:35 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: Aeronaut

SOunds like doing it the hard way. ;-)

I know where Palwaukee is, Iused to work down the road from there.


79 posted on 10/30/2004 8:02:53 PM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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To: Professional Engineer

IMHO that's the difference between a public servant and a professional politician.


80 posted on 10/30/2004 8:04:10 PM PDT by SAMWolf (MEETINGS - A practical alternative to work.)
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