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The FReeper Foxhole Studies the M-1 "Garand" Rifle - November 17th, 2003
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Posted on 11/17/2003 3:30:47 AM PST by snippy_about_it

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M-1 Garand
 Semi-automatic .30 Caliber Rifle
The M1, or Garand rifle as it came to be known after the name of its inventor, John Garand, held many advantages over the M1903 Springfield rifle. The semi-automatic operation and reduced recoil allowed new troops to achieve a higher degree of accuracy with a shorter period of training than was previously possible. The sighting system was superior under actual combat conditions.
Ease of disassembly, cleaning, and oiling were also a great advantage. Most important was the increase in rate of fire, limited only by the proficiency of the soldier in marksmanship and his dexterity in inserting eight round clips of ammunition into the weapon. In the face of overwhelming odds, the capability of the M1 rifle to deliver superior firepower would most often carry the day.
The first production M1 was successfully proof fired, function fired, and fired for accuracy on July 21, 1937. Thus began manufacture of what was to become the greatest production effort in the history of Springfield Armory. During the entire production history of the M1 rifle, Springfield Armory produced over 4.5 million M1s.
General Douglas MacArthur reported on the M1 to the Ordnance Department during heavy fighting on Bataan that: "Under combat conditions it operated with no mechanical defects and when used in foxholes did not develop stoppages from dust or dirt. It has been in almost constant action for as much as a week without cleaning or lubrication."
General George S. Patton Jr. reported to the Ordnance Department on January 26, 1945: "In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised."
The M1 rifle was described in military manuals as "a gas-operated, clip-fed, air-cooled, semi-automatic shoulder weapon." The design incorporated a spring-loaded piston operating within a gas cylinder mounted on the end of the barrel. Gas was fed through a gas port in the barrel to a fixture mounted at the muzzle of the barrel. As the bullet passed this point, exiting the barrel, the compressed gas behind it flowed down a port to the piston.
The piston drove a 16-inch operating rod to the rear where a cam on the back of the operating rod unlocked a two lug rotary bolt and then carried the bolt to the rear of the receiver. The operating rod, a hollow tube, contained a spring which resisted rearward movement. The spring, in turn, exerted pressure on the follower rod which operated the feeding mechanism of the weapon. Upon firing of the last cartridge, the clip was automatically ejected.
The M1, designed by John C. Garand, was the standard issue military rifle used by the U.S. Army from 1936 to 1957, when it was replaced by the lighter M14 rifle. The M1 was one of the first semi-automatic rifles to see action in combat. It offered a great improvement in fire power over the bolt-action M1903 series rifle it replaced. It was rugged, reliable, and tolerant to the abuses of use in the field. The rifle used .30-06 cal. cartridges in eight-round clips.
The M1C and M1D were sniper versions of the M1 Garand. The two models differed only in the telescope mounts. The M1C mounted a model M81 2.5X telescope; the M1D an M82 2.5X telescope.
 A Marine sergeant credited with nine kills poses for a combat photographer during a break in the action in July 1952.
Both models were used as sniper rifles during World War II, Korea, and during the early years of the Vietnam war. Although considered obsolete, the M1D remained the official U.S. Army sniper rifle until the mid-1960s. Both versions used the standard Army .30-06 cartridge loaded manually, or in eight-round clips.
The "old timers" who fought with Pershing and Marshall in World War I, opposed the "reduced accuracy" of the Garand rifle as compared to the revered--and sometimes even coveted--M1903 Springfield rifle. Also loudly voiced were fears that the new self-loader would cause horrendous expenditures of ammunition without commensurate enemy troops neutralized. Strange . . . the same thing was said when the 20-round box magazine appeared on battle rifles in the 1950's--25 years later.
There was, however, a difference. The Garand rifle, in spite of its supposed shortcomings, in spite of fears by its critics of disproportionate ammunition expenditures, performed brilliantly throughout its entire military career, compiling a service record as yet unsurpassed by any successor.
From 1936 to, officially, 1957, the Garand was seen in the heat of battle worldwide. Unofficially, it can today be encountered although considered to be "obsolete" by all but the most knowing experts--the ones who haven't forgotten what wins.
Renowned small-arms expert S.L.A. Marshall, in his highly detailed and critical evaluation of the performance of U.S. Infantry weapons during the Korean War, noted the phenomenal love of the American infantryman for the weapon, who, without reservation, candidly stated to him on over a hundred occasions that he could not think of replacing it with anything else.
The legend of the Garand was--and is--based upon the unassailable fact that the weapon, in spite of its theoretical weaknesses, WORKS--in the mud, in the rain, in the snow, and in the dust.
There must be a balance between accuracy and firepower in the general application. On one end of the spectrum we have the traditional bolt-action rifle such as the M 1903 Springfield. On the other end we have the M16. The Springfield was rugged, highly accurate and powerful, but, in the acid test of modern warfare, proved to be more complex to operate than necessary and unable to produce sufficient volumes of fire to be adequately effective.
 Springfield 1903
On the other hand, the M16 is fragile, lacks power and range, is only moderately accurate, and designed with the idea that the trooper is to substitute a high volume of automatic fire with an inadequately powered cartridge for marksmanship. Neither one of these concepts is satisfactory, for as with most questions, the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
John Garand understood this, for even though the M16 did not yet exist, the principles on which it was to be based did.
The rifle he designed and developed was the solidification of his thinking. It is capable of what has proven over the years to be superb accuracy, far more than one can actually utilize in the field. It functions itself, allowing the operator to spend more time on the basic fundamentals of marksmanship. It is powerful and rugged, capable of sustaining incredible abuse and yet still knock down an enemy at 500 meters.
It is a rifleman's rifle--in the purest form--yet it does not encourage wild, inaccurate fire, nor does it break in half when used in close combat. It instills confidence, not disgust. It is the almost ideal compromise between firepower and accuracy, between the old and the "new."
Even outside the military application, there can be no finer rifle for a serious survivalist or adventurer in the field, for most of the same criteria still apply. The box magazine is the result of a need to mass suppressive fire, so important to the successful consummation of squad tactics. It has no value whatsoever to an individual, only the members of a larger group. It is fragile, must be kept separate from its loaded counterparts, catches on things incessantly in the field, and is uncomfortable to carry and manipulate.
The 8-round en bloc staggered clip of the Garand is small, light, simple in principle and application, and disposable. Once it fulfills its function, it is automatically ejected from the weapon.
Criticisms of the fact that one cannot "top off" a partially loaded clip while in the weapon appear to more theoretical than practical, for if one has time to realize the need to reload, he can simply insert a fresh clip and at leisure reload any partially expended one via single rounds of ammunition carried on his person. This is no secret to the seasoned infantryman, no matter what his generation.
No box magazine-equipped rifle compares to the superior balance and "feel" of the M1. It shoulders quickly, positively, and possesses the best human engineering in the world. In the overall context, it is the easiest battle rifle to shoot well.
To many the M1 Rifle has a classic elegance and grace characteristic of a bygone era, when steel was forged in white heat and walnut was carefully shaped for both form and function. "There will never be again such a rifle, so brimming with the genius of an individual mind, so well constructed to outlive us all, so sculpted as to ask the hand to caress."
Criticisms of the M1 are its weight, limited ammunition supply, the fact that single rounds could not be pushed in (8 round clip, or nothing). Also, the spent clip was automatically ejected after the last round was fired, making a distinctive sound, which could be fatal in close quarter or sniper operations.
As a supplement to the Garand the M1 Carbine was developed. It was totally different design philosophy with a smaller, less powerful cartridge and an effective range of 300 yds max. It weighed almost exactly 1/2 that of the M1 Garand. In many ways you could think of the M1 Carbine as a moderately powerful, two-handed, long-barreled auto pistol with a shoulder stock.
Even G.I. Joe carried the M1-Garand.
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To: SAMWolf
Ha! I like it!!
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posted on
11/17/2003 12:36:40 PM PST
by
snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: snippy_about_it; SAMWolf
LOL! Classic line from Young Frankenstein (that's frankensteeen!).
Amazing, isn't it, that all those millions of people were exposed to "semi-automatic assault rifles" and weren't turned into deranged criminals?
I agree with you about the M-16, Sam. The M-14 was a better rifle. If marksmanship doesn't count anymore, why don't we just issue the troops updated Thompson submachine guns?
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posted on
11/17/2003 12:56:29 PM PST
by
colorado tanker
("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
To: *all
Air Power Lockheed SR-71 "Blackbird"
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Developed for the USAF as reconnaissance aircraft more than 30 years ago, SR-71s are still the world's fastest and highest-flying production aircraft. The aircraft can fly more than 2200 mph (Mach 3+ or more than three times the speed of sound) and at altitudes of over 85,000 feet.
For its reconnaissance mission, the aircraft was outfitted with an advanced synthetic aperture radar system [ASARS-I], an optical bar camera and a technical objective camera wet film system. All were once part of the aircraft's original equipment.
The SR-71 was designed by a team of Lockheed personnel led by Clarence "Kelly" Johnson, at that time vice president of the company's Advanced Development Projects, known as the "Skunk Works." The first version, a CIA reconnaissance aircraft that first flew in April 1962 was called the A-11. The similar A-12 had a lower radar cross section. An interceptor version was developed in 1963 under the designation YF-12A. A USAF reconnaissance variant, called the SR-71, was first flown in 1964. The A-12 and SR-71 designs included leading and trailing edges made of high-temperature fiberglass-asbestos laminates which among other features contributed to their reduced radar signature.
Its existence was publicly announced by President Lyndon Johnson on Feb. 29, 1964, when he announced that an A-11 had flown at sustained speeds of over 2000 mph during tests at Edwards, Calif.
Development of the SR-71s from the A-11 design, as strategic reconnaissance aircraft, began in February 1963. First flight of an SR-71 was on Dec. 22, 1964. The YF-12s were experimental long-range interceptor versions of the same airframe and were first displayed publicly at Edwards on Sept. 30, 1964.
The Air Force needed technical assistance to get the latest reconnaissance version of the A-12 family, the SR-71A, fully operational. Eventually, the Air Force offered NASA the use of two YF-12A aircraft, 60-6935 and 606936. A joint NASA-USAF program was mapped out in June 1969.
The NASA YF-12 research program was ambitious; the aircraft flew an average of once a week unless down for extended maintenance or modification. It made 90 flights between 16 July 1971 and 22 December 1978.
The SR-71 is a delta-wing aircraft designed and built by Lockheed. They are powered by two Pratt and Whitney J-58 axial-flow turbojets with afterburners, each producing 32,500 pounds of thrust. Studies have shown that less than 20 percent of the total thrust used to fly at Mach 3 is produced by the basic engine itself. The balance of the total thrust is produced by the unique design of the engine inlet and "moveable spike" system at the front of the engine nacelles, and by the ejector nozzles at the exhaust which burn air compressed in the engine bypass system.
The Blackbird weighs about 34 tons empty, and can carry another 20 tons of special JP-7 jet fuel (enough for about two hours of flight time) in its fuselage and wing tanks. In flight, the fuel is redistributed automatically to maintain the plane's center of gravity and load specifications. Because the Blackbird was designed to expand during flight, it has had a history of fuel tank leaks on the ground.
The airframes are built almost entirely of titanium and titanium alloys to withstand heat generated by sustained Mach 3 flight. The aircraft's largely titanium structure is coated with a special radar-absorbing black paint that helps dissipate the intense frictional heat resulting from flight through the atmosphere at faster than three times the speed of sound. It also gives the plane its distinctive "Blackbird" nickname.
Aerodynamic control surfaces consist of all-moving vertical tail surfaces above each engine nacelle, ailerons on the outer wings, and elevators on the trailing edges between the engine exhaust nozzles.
Although most news reports characterize the SR-71 aircraft as `radar evading', in point of fact, however, the SR-71 was one of the largest radar targets ever detected on the FAA's long-range radars. The FAA was able to track it at ranges of several hundred miles. The explanation offered was that the radars were detecting the exhaust plume.
The SR-71A accommodates two crew members in tandem cockpits. The pilot flies the aircraft from the forward cockpit, while a systems operator monitors sensors and experiments in the rear station. For high-speed, high altitude missions, both crew members must wear full-pressure suites that resemble those worn by the early astronauts.
Congress appropriated $100 million in the fiscal year 1995 defense budget to reactivate two A-model jets and one B-model pilot trainer aircraft. The Air Force program office for the reactivation of the Blackbirds is at Wright-Patterson AFB, OH. They are operated by Air Combat Command.
The move to reactivate the SR-71 Blackbird reconnaissance aircraft was not unopposed. Critics looked at the SR-71 's limitations--it can effectively operate only in good weather and cannot transmit the images it collects directly to those who need them--and concluded that the aircraft should be retired.
Specifications:
Primary Function: Strategic Reconnaissance
Contractor: Lockheed-Martin Skunkworks
Power Plant: 2 Pratt and Whitney J-58 axial-flow turbojets with afterburners each produces 32,500 pounds of thrust
Unit Cost: n/a
Crew: 2
Dimensions:
Length: 107.4 feet
Height: l8.5 feet
Weight: 140,000 pounds Gross takeoff weight / 80,000 pounds JP-7 fuel weight
Wingspan: 55.6 feet
Performance :
Speed: over Mach 3.2 / 2,000 mph
Range: over 2000 miles unrefueled
Altitude: over 85,000 feet (26,000 m)
Armaments:
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:15:28 PM PST
by
Johnny Gage
(God Bless President Bush, God Bless our Troops, and GOD BLESS AMERICA)
To: Coop
Depends on which way the rifle is pointed.
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:22:56 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Just plain Wootten)
To: SAMWolf
If I am not mistaken, and I may well be, your green tipped 7.62 X 51 actually has TWO projectiles in it. It was an experimental piggy back projectile that would double the fire power of a machine gun.
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:27:39 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Just plain Wootten)
To: SAMWolf
They do, you just can't get it in full auto. But you need to try an AR10 which is the M16 in 7.62 Nato. It is built strong like an M1 and has a buffer in the stock that would allow you to fire it in full auto and control it. Now that is in 7.62 not 5.56. This is what we should have gone to.
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:38:52 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Just plain Wootten)
To: colorado tanker
Leave it to SAM not to pass up an opportunity. Knockers. Ha!
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:43:45 PM PST
by
snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: Johnny Gage
Thanks Johnny.

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posted on
11/17/2003 2:45:09 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(Talk is cheap except when Congress does it.)
To: U S Army EOD
Not sure about the two projectiles. I wonder how it worked out.
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:46:44 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(Talk is cheap except when Congress does it.)
To: U S Army EOD
Really!? Last I heard they hadn't "released" the M-14's. You could get Mini-14s or civilian versions but not militarey surplus.
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:48:40 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(Talk is cheap except when Congress does it.)
To: SAMWolf
It worked fine but it was expensive. Gave the machine gun a better spray and pray cabability. Was not good for long range but ideal for Vietnam environment. What I would like to get hold of is 30 cal. AP rounds to pull and use in my 300 Weatherby. This would be good to have incase the long predicted great big social upheavel ever comes. The only place you can find them is in the .30 cal machine gun belts which are hard to find.
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posted on
11/17/2003 2:52:27 PM PST
by
U S Army EOD
(Just plain Wootten)
To: U S Army EOD
The only place you can find them is in the .30 cal machine gun belts which are hard to find.Do any military still use 30 cal?
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posted on
11/17/2003 3:36:14 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(Talk is cheap except when Congress does it.)
To: SAMWolf
Bad hair day, SAM??? (Hi!)
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posted on
11/17/2003 3:55:37 PM PST
by
manna
To: SAMWolf
The Navy still uses a lot of M-14s onboard ships. I've always been able to shoot well with them when they let us sight them in. I was surprised to read the M-1 was actually heavier than the M-14.
To: HiJinx
Geez ow! Now that I'm home I can see the trophy. That's huge for a trophy. LOL.
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posted on
11/17/2003 5:17:54 PM PST
by
snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: GATOR NAVY
Hiya Gator Navy.
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posted on
11/17/2003 5:18:52 PM PST
by
snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: snippy_about_it
Hey Snippy, just doing a little multi-tasking here
To: manna
Hair?
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posted on
11/17/2003 5:46:39 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(Talk is cheap except when Congress does it.)
To: GATOR NAVY

I always liked the M-14, never did get the auto version, only issued one per squad.
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posted on
11/17/2003 5:50:09 PM PST
by
SAMWolf
(Talk is cheap except when Congress does it.)
To: SAMWolf
The picture, SAM, the picture!
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posted on
11/17/2003 5:54:11 PM PST
by
manna
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