Posted on 11/20/2008 8:39:13 PM PST by Delacon
Remember that Jesus taught his apostles that they shouldn't just do good things themselves, they should force others to do so.
How about when He said that if others don't want to follow your teachings, don't just shake the dust off your sandals and move on, but bring the full armed force of the government against those people, confiscate their money, and do what you think are good deeds with it!
It's obvious that Huckabee is right about Jesus...Jesus definitely wasn't in favor of free will and peoples' rights.
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True social conservatives are fine. But there seem to be few of them today, and Gov. Huckabee certainly isn't conservative.
He should read his Bible more, rather than just thumping it. Christianity doesn't consist of using government power to impose your will on others.
In other words my problem with Huck isn’t the hayseed, since hayseeds are the heart of this party. Its the statist masquerading as hayseed.
Right on the mark.
People who make statements like only show they have NO understanding of what they are talking about.
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All liberalism (classic liberalism, which is called libertarianism today) consists of is the idea that men are wicked and self serving, therefore the greatest mercy one can bestow in the political realm is seek to limit their power and make them compete with each other. It is a solidly BIBLICAL viewpoint which recognizes that men are predisposed to abuse power. It grew DIRECTLY out of Scottish and Swiss Reformed Christianity, which had experienced massive revivals of the Holy Spirit completely re-working the entire societies, including the intelligencia. Those men would be the first to tell you that no political or educational system is functional in an apostate society. No one is arguing that point that I know of. What I *AM* saying is that libertarianism is the best application of biblical observations about human nature in the realm of politics that we have come up with so far, excepting of course the return of the Great King.
What I took exception to was your silly statement that Christianity and Libertarianism are inimical. One birthed the other. Fundamentalists today --and especially the Dobson/Huckabee types-- want to reverse that order. (Government leadership in morality). It won't work, and will lead to tyranny.
If you want to change the subject and state that what we really need is revival and a movement of God in our culture, I will simply move over and ask you to sing beside me on that one. Real true revival is desperately needed. North America is the only continent in the world where Christianity is not growing, but receding. The proper venue to seek that is through prayer, though, not the ballot box
Finally, when you see CHRISTIAN libertarians arguing for legalization of drugs or similiar stuff, you should not assume (as many mindless fundamentalists do) that we are just saying these are ok. Rather it is like this passage in Deuteronomy 24.
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
Note that Jesus himself says (Matthew 19 and Mark 10) that this LAW DOES NOT REFLECT THE WILL OF GOD. IN FACT, IT PERMITS A GREAT EVIL. Divorce is something that God hates (Malachi 2:16). Yet the civil law given by the finger of God permitted it. Why? Because the law and political structures are not INTENDED to transform societies. They CANNOT do so.Their purpose (and thus their blessing) is to restrain evil, and you should note that the purpose is not to restrain ALL evil. If you try to build a society whose laws reflect the directive will of God, you will only impose tyranny, and turn what is a blessing into a curse. Again, Law CANNOT transform men, as men who run the system are evil and men will not obey "oppressive" laws, even when the laws are good and would be a blessing.
Hey, look at that, Jesus sounds like a libertarian there, doesn't He? He says clearly that the law of God PERMITTED divorce because of the evil of men's hearts. The only thing he does not do is follow through and explain that we should NOT have laws prohibiting every evil because this will lead to tyranny, or too much power collectivized in government. Of course Jesus did not make ANY political prescriptions did he? That is just a logical application of what little he did say.
The above is why I make the statement that those who say that libertarianism is hostile to Christianity understand neither.
nice post
LOL! The RINO Huckabee is in our sites, fire away boys!
There is nothing conservative or right wing about Nazi’s.
The only real political difference between Nazi’s and Communists is that the latter are International Socialists, and the former are National Socialists.
Looks like Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, and Ron Paul all used their first names, or the normal nickname thereof. Only Willard the giant Rat decided not to. Are you on crack or something?
Many of the issues that truly concern social conservatives are better addressed by libertarian Republicans and actually have a chance of getting solved, like: right to life, prayer in school, the definition of marriage, etc. When the power returns to the States and to the people, we have a better chance of dealing freely with this ourselves rather than the federal government handling it in a purely legalistic way.
But the issues that most concern libertarian Republicans are NOT addressed by social conservatives: smaller government, lower taxes, freedom of conscience.
Social conservatives are exclusive and libertarian Republicans are inclusive. So which one do you think has a better shot at winning election? The exclusive or the inclusive group?
And who are you going to believe? Huckabee, who thinks that “Libertarians are the biggest threat to the Republican Party”? Or Ronald Reagan, who said “I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.”?
I am a Christian, but any guy who refers to the Holy Communion as “Jesus juice” (ala Michael Jackson), scares me as much — if not more— as any atheistic Liberal!
Let’s nominate Huck in 2012. We’re going to lose anyway, lets discredit his brand of conservatism in the process. I think he would do much worse than McCain. He would probably only win a subset of the states he won in the GOP primary: some of the Bible belt.
It would be a sound thrashing. We could move on to the next idea.
The two are tied in a sense...
Many of the social problems are related to our country’s liberal economic policies.
And G-D doesn’t bless any country that gives too much power to government
Am I to take it that you think it’s somehow deceptive or indicates that they’re ashamed of their formal given names if people go by the traditional nicknames?
No criticism intended if that’s the case, but I don’t think I ever met anyone with that belief, and I have to admit, it seems a little odd.
True. For example, the fracture of low income black families skyrocketed after the introduction of LBJ’s (spit) Great [Hoax] Society, and families think they don’t need to care for their old folks now that we have Socialist [in]Security.
Not that Huckabee's any better on immigration, but it's best to be a little wary about advocacy groups.
Calling them "the Club for Greed" as Huckabee did is certainly going too far, but I'd be wary of getting stampeded by anybody.
Both Parker and Huckster miss the point by such a wide margin it is hard to know where to begin.
Evangelicals and libertarians have one big thing in common....fear of Gubmint control.
No act is genuine unless it’s done voluntarily without Government coercion.
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