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To: RnMomof7; drstevej
The atonement was a sinless man taking on the sin of men, if the man had any sin he would have been dying for his own sin.

Sorry, the atonement was God dying on the Cross in the flesh. A finite creature could not offer infinite atonement, nor could the sacrifice of a finite creature unite us to God. You are truly Nestorians and Protestants, and truly NOT Christians.

You have a very limited and juridical view of the atonement that leaves out the crucial point of it all - God became Man so that man might become god.

Btw your comment about aborted babies being sinless is against your churches of original ..do you want me to explain it to you?

Yes please do. You've proven how little you know tonight. Why not dig yourself in a little deeper?

I'll give you a big hint. We do NOT believe original sin is analogically an actual sin. We believe babies are born sinless and graceless.

357 posted on 09/30/2003 11:42:26 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
God became Man so that man might become god.

Really? So you and the LDS agree?

360 posted on 09/30/2003 11:47:13 PM PDT by ppaul
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
You have a very limited and juridical view of the atonement that leaves out the crucial point of it all - God became Man so that man might become god.

HMMmmm........

Sounds more like MORMON theology to me!

377 posted on 10/01/2003 7:01:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
We believe babies are born sinless and graceless.

I guess if we can just keep them away from adults, they'll REMAIN that way!

378 posted on 10/01/2003 7:02:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Btw your comment about aborted babies being sinless is against your churches of original ..do you want me to explain it to you?
Yes please do. You've proven how little you know tonight. Why not dig yourself in a little deeper?

Actually the Protestants and one Jew have kicked your butt all over the place.

The Catholic church believes that every child is born in original sin and can not enter heaven without being baptized

It seems that the Council of Trent has something to say to you too

4. If anyone denies that infants, newly born from their mothers' wombs, are to be baptized, even though they be born of baptized parents, or says that they are indeed baptized for the remission of sins, but that they derive nothing of original sin from Adam which must be expiated by the laver of regeneration for the attainment of eternal life, whence it follows that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins is to be understood not as true but as false, let him be anathema, for what the Apostle has said, by one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned, is not to be understood otherwise than as the Catholic Church has everywhere and always understood it. For in virtue of this rule of faith handed down from the apostles, even infants who could not as yet commit any sin of themselves, are for this reason truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that in them what they contracted by generation may be washed away by regeneration. For, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

422 posted on 10/01/2003 9:13:10 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; RnMomof7; drstevej
Sorry, the atonement was God dying on the Cross in the flesh. A finite creature could not offer infinite atonement, nor could the sacrifice of a finite creature unite us to God. You are truly Nestorians and Protestants, and truly NOT Christians.

Those to which you are responding do not deny the mystery of Christ's dual nature, fully man and fully God. It does appear however, that you are denying a dual nature which places you in the category (Nestorian) of which you have attempted to place them.

You have a very limited and juridical view of the atonement that leaves out the crucial point of it all - God became Man so that man might become god.

Please provide Scripture to support your last phrase.

I'll give you a big hint. We do NOT believe original sin is analogically an actual sin. We believe babies are born sinless and graceless.

Hints are nice, but beliefs without a Scriptural foundation are worthless. Is there a Scripture to support your belief that babies are born sinless AND graceless?
598 posted on 10/02/2003 5:41:23 AM PDT by snerkel
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