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Paralyzed Woman Cured at Lourdes Shrine
Total Catholic ^ | September 6, 2003

Posted on 09/07/2003 5:03:54 PM PDT by NYer

Church probes Lourdes cure

An almost totally paralysed 60-year-old Italian woman has been instantly cured of her illness in Lourdes this week.

And as the amazing and moving story of Giulia Mongelli Tofani emerged, she has  announced that she is totally convinced that a prayer to the Blessed Lady was the reason for her incredible recovery.  'I am overjoyed, most happy, Our Lady of Lourdes has cured me,' said Giulia, who prior to her visit was almost completely helpless and had to be spoon fed by her family. 'When I came to Lourdes I was full of anguish, now I feel like a cricket,' she said. 'I can walk up and down. I climb the stairs, I go up and down now and never stop. I laugh and joke.'

Giulia is convinced a miracle has occurred and top Vatican official Cardinal Camillo Ruini, vicar-general of Rome Diocese who led her party to Lourdes, backed this view when he publicly thanked God and Our Lady for 'the gift received by Giulia' on the final evening of her visit. The woman had been a bartender in Rome for 35 years before contracting a rare viral infection  that left her paralysed some years ago.
Her condition gradually worsened and two years ago only prolonged treatment in the intensive care unit of a Rome clinic kept her alive. Until last week, she showed no sign at all of improvement, but now she can walk and move freely, and as she arrived back in Italy, she told her amazing story.

Giulia said that one evening she was sat watching the candlelight at the grotto of Our Lady in Lourdes, though she was so ill she was not even able to hold a candle in her hand. As she gazed at the statue of Our Lady, she prayed for her seriously ill husband but said she also felt very much alone, and told Our Lady 'I cannot go on'. Giulia said she suddenly felt free from the burden she carried and she heard an inner voice telling her to 'Walk! Walk!'

'I walked up the ramp, but then I stopped and marvelled that I had done it,' she said. But  then  the  voice again urged her 'Walk! Walk!' She did, and then called her friends over to tell them 'I can walk' before bursting into tears and weeping uncontrollably for some time. 'I asked to hold a candle,' she said. 'Then I went to the grotto of Our Lady to thank her. I went back four or five times.'

As news of Giulia's recovery spread among excited pilgrims, her parish priest Don Canio then accompanied her to the medical bureau at Lourdes, where she was subjected to a three hour examination. The bureau are currently studying her case. Though Guilia and her friends are convinced as to what has taken place, it is commonly accepted that the Church is very slow to recognise miracles, even at Lourdes.

Of the millions of pilgrims who have visited Lourdes in the last 145 years, only around 7,000 cases of alleged cures have been examined in depth, and of these just 66 have been officially recognised by the Church as miracles. <


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To: dsc
dsc, many of the Saints saw demons, were harassed by them and described the demons in their writings. It is certainly possible that artists created paintings based on those descriptions.
21 posted on 09/07/2003 7:53:07 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Yes, that's the sort of thing I was asking about. But I don't remember having seen such illustrations, so I thought I'd ask if anybody knew of any.
22 posted on 09/07/2003 7:57:03 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
I just read an excerpt of Teresa of Avila where she describes some demonic harassment. Also, someone told me recently that St. Ignatius was harassed on his way to Rome. If I come across any specifics I'll send them your way.
23 posted on 09/07/2003 8:05:59 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Thanks. Mucho appreciado.
24 posted on 09/07/2003 8:21:03 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the heads up!
25 posted on 09/07/2003 8:43:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: dsc
The bible says the devil can appear as an angel of light. It also says to test the spirits "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world." (1 John 4:2).

Obviusly discernment is called for, but I don't fully understand the process nor do I have that gift (sometimes I can tell and sometimes I can't). There are other passages in the bible that blur the issue.

Catholics depend on the church to discern these spirits or manifestations. I used to, but there are a couple that have been approved that I serioualy question, so it's back to square one for me.

I still want to believe that Lourdes and Fatima are true and worthy of belief. Certainly there have been any number of healings at Lourdes and I've also read of one at Fatima. What perplexes me is that evidently even these kinds of healings used to happen in the ancient pagan temples, as evidenced by ex-voto offerings found by archeologists (don't know where I read that, but I did).

27 posted on 09/07/2003 9:17:53 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
"What perplexes me is that evidently even these kinds of healings used to happen in the ancient pagan temples, as evidenced by ex-voto offerings found by archeologists"

That's something that I would have to examine very carefully before accepting. Especially given the predeliction of the PC for finding what they want to find.

29 posted on 09/07/2003 9:32:35 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Marcellinus
I'm almost afraid to go there now in case it isn't what it is supposed to be.

That is a beautiful story and I tend to believe you. Of healings, few though they be, most tend to be gradual rather than instantaneous.

As to reporting it, I wouldn't want to put one of my loved ones through that unless it was for a very worthy cause. Witnessing about it, when appropriate, may be the right thing to do.

I ordered lots of Lourdes water in little vials and gave them out to people. Two had cancer and died, but I don't know if they used them. One did but she got hers from somewhere else.

I've had better results on my own with plain old holy water (and simple prayer combined), but when you start looking for or expecting healings you can wind up very disheartened.

A local catholic couple borrowed on their insurance years ago to take their son who had cerebral palsy (he was about 9 or so) to Lourdes. He was not healed, at least in the way one would have hoped. He is still alive and still very handicapped.

The vast majority of people are not healed and it bothers me. Is God, Mary or Jesus stingy? Why only certain ones? I want real answers and not canned answers that don't satisfy. Jesus healed everyone who wanted to be healed and believed in him.

30 posted on 09/07/2003 9:33:34 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Marcellinus
Just going to Lourdes and being in the waters was an experience never to be forgotten

It's very cold water. It would almost shock your system, so I understand.

Yes, they are scrutinize the healings very carefully, for which I'm grateful. The doctors aren't necessarily catholic doctors. Personally, I believe there have probably been a lot more healings that didn't get reported, happened after they got home, etc., etc.

The only one I personally know about was told me by a catholic lady (in a nursing home at the time of the telling) who went there and there was a lady from Quincy, Illinois whose hearing aid didn't work for her. They dipped the hearing aid into the Lourdes water and it worked again. I would rather her deafness would have been healed, but I don't necessarily disdain healing a hearing aid. Maybe I didn't get the story right or maybe the teller (who got a little flaky toward the end) got it confused.

I don't doubt for a minute that healings take place at Lourdes. I do have other doubts about it. At least St. Bernadette was a real person, and her body is incorrupt, but there is no way for common people to really know that it is and she has had to have her face repaired.

31 posted on 09/07/2003 9:45:17 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: american colleen
Thanks, colleen. I don't want to download it because my computer got trashed with the blaster and it is taking a long time to get everything reinstalled and working again. I think I may have my acrobat reader still, but it needs to be reinstalled.

Can you copy just the relevant part and post it?

I got ahold of several books about Lourdes, some from the public library, and did my own little study. Very definitely some of those healed were from England. I found one on the net just tonight, Traynor, I think his name was.

32 posted on 09/07/2003 9:48:28 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Salvation
We need our own Lourdes in America. There is somewhere I was told to go but I've dragged my feet for years, thinking an evil spirit is trying to trick me. I'm afraid to go and I'm afraid of how I would react if I were disappointed again. It is a legitimate catholic place. Well, it is owned by a legitimate catholic shrine but I wouldn't go to any of their masses because they are another one of those places that has very strange masses and I refuse to go to any more like that. It makes me so frustrated.
33 posted on 09/07/2003 9:53:49 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Marcellinus
I didn't say I didn't believe. I don't know you. I had a friend who made stuff up like this. Once you have been duped you become cynical and sceptical of everyone and everything.
35 posted on 09/07/2003 10:17:24 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: dsc
Are there cases of apparitions of demons, and images based on descriptions of those apparitions?

In addition to what others have already said, even at Lourdes I think at one point Bernadette saw and/or heard "evil" in the river telling her (or the Immaculate) to leave. When the Blessed Virgin Mary looked in their direction, they left. (Something to that effect anyway).

Also, after St. Bernadette's visions at Lourdes, there were many claims of "visions" from others at the Grotto. Some were sure that they were seeing evil spirits "dressed in light". In any event, the Bishop only approved St. Bernadette's experiences as worthy of belief.

I don't recall ever seeing a painting of the evil one described and dictated to an artist by a visionary.

36 posted on 09/07/2003 11:03:30 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: maestro
Paralyzed Woman Cured at Lourdes Shrine ........but NOT from Purgatory?

???, ? ?? ?, ???? ??, ????

Okay, I give up. ?? What's the riddle to be answered here?

37 posted on 09/07/2003 11:06:24 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: Marcellinus
I hope to go there soon as a pilgrimage. A month or so from now!
38 posted on 09/07/2003 11:09:54 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: dansangel
Ping
39 posted on 09/07/2003 11:12:06 PM PDT by .45MAN (And now that your here! Look where you are....)
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To: TotusTuus
Maybe it was feared that the act of creating such a painting could have negative consequences.
40 posted on 09/07/2003 11:30:09 PM PDT by dsc
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