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A Statement from the President Forward in Faith North America
Forward in Faith North America ^ | 8/7/2003 | The Revd Dr David L Moyer SSC

Posted on 08/08/2003 10:29:18 AM PDT by trad_anglican

The revisionist majority has taken the Episcopal Church out of the Christian religion and severed it from any claim to uphold Biblical, Catholic, Apostolic, and Evangelical Faith and Order. This departure, open rebellion, and act of schism is decades old, beginning with the ordination of women to the priesthood and reaching a climax with a mockery of God’s moral order for sexual relationships. False teachers and teachings reign; and the men, women, and children who seek to be obedient to and humble before God and His divine revelation for their health and salvation have been misled and misused by so many of those solemnly entrusted with authority and loving care for Christian souls. The Episcopal Church has ignored and dismissed the counsel of the Archbishop of Canterbury, and has rejected the mind of Anglican Communion. The Episcopal Church as a denomination has willfully created a new religion.

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1 posted on 08/08/2003 10:29:19 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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2 posted on 08/08/2003 10:32:44 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: trad_anglican; Ray'sBeth; mel
Thanks ta.

I have pinged Ray'sBeth and mel to this new thread.
3 posted on 08/08/2003 10:36:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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To: trad_anglican

And we all thought he was livid driving people out of the temple for cheating worshippers by the money-changing for the temple tax.

Once again "His Bride" has been humiliated.

4 posted on 08/08/2003 10:38:53 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: trad_anglican; All
Thanks trad_anglican.

Now we have a place to meet and share what is happening and resources during this time of crisis.

We can post what our priests and bishops have to say about the outrage that happened in Mn.

When we do that, we will not only share with our fellow Episcopalians what is happening. We will have storage place for what has happened and the resource sites.
5 posted on 08/08/2003 10:40:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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To: Grampa Dave; All
Here you go:
6 posted on 08/08/2003 10:46:00 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Grampa Dave
Christ Episcopal Church Vestry
Statement on Human Sexuality

We, the Vestry of Christ Episcopal Church:
1. Affirm God’s intention that human sexuality be expressed and fulfilled only within faithful monogamous heterosexual marriage relationships (Gen. 2:23-25, Hebrews 13:4, Ephesians 5:2-5).

2. Affirm God’s love for all people. Fear of and hatred toward any group of people is not permissible for Christians. This church, following the example of our Lord, will demonstrate compassion for all (Romans 5:8, John 3:16-17, Matt. 9:10-13).

3. Admit that we are all sinners and fall short of the Glory of God. All of us have gone our own way. None of us is by nature any better than anyone else; it is only through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, by His grace and faith in Him that any of us can be acceptable to God (Romans 3:23, Isaiah 53:6, Eph. 2:8-9, John 3:16-18).

4. Affirm that temptation and inclination toward homosexual activity and other sexual relationships outside marriage is not sinful in and of itself. Rather, the willful pursuit and practice of such activities are sinful (Lev. 18-22, I Cor 6:9-11 NIV, Romans 12:1-2, Eph. 2:1-10).

5. Affirm that God forgives any repentant person of any event, habit or attitude of the past, and to bestow, by grace alone, new life in His Son, Jesus Christ. The church is God’s instrument of healing forgiveness, and will seek to restore all people to unity with God and each other in Christ. (II Cor. 5:17, Romans 12:1-2, Eph. 1:1-10).

6. Reject any position or policy of lifestyle which is contrary to Scripture, and we will lead this congregation, by the Grace of God, always to reject positions on any subject which are contrary to Scripture (Col. 3:5-8 NIV, II Tim. 3:16-17, Matt. 5:17-19).

7. By God’s Grace, will stand firm in these convictions, and will advocate these principles to others within the Episcopal Church and the wider Christian community.

Finally, we make these statements in humility before God, to whom all things are known and from whom no secrets are hid. We call upon the members of Christ Church to pray for all those in Christian leadership, that their and our own views would conform with the will of God as revealed in the Scriptures.
(Adopted 1994. Reaffirmed 1997.)

Scripture Supporting Vestry Statement on Human Sexuality

Genesis 2:23-25
23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man."
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. 25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Hebrews 13:4
4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Eph 5:2-5
1Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. 3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Romans 5:8
8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

John 3:16-17
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Matt 9:10-13
10While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" 12On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'[1] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Romans 3:23
23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Isaiah 53:6
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

I Corinthians 6:9-11
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 12:1-2
1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Ephesians 2:1-10
1As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. 4But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved. 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

II Cor 5:17
17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

Col 3:5-8
5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

II Tim 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Matthew 5:17-19
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Christ Episcopal Church
4550 Legacy Drive
Plano, TX 75025-3885
(972) 618-0222

7 posted on 08/08/2003 10:47:04 AM PDT by bonfire
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Go Fr. Moyer Go! whoo-hoo! (sorry, but as a Charimatic Evangelical I have to keep up our reputation among the more staid Anglo-Catholic types...:-))

Fr. Moyer would undoubtedly have already been a bishop in ECUSA if he wasn't so doggone conservative and Biblically orthodox. Hopefully with this reallignment he will finally receive the recognition to which he is more than overdue.
8 posted on 08/08/2003 10:48:03 AM PDT by ahadams2 ( Anglicanism: the next reformation begins NOW)
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To: bonfire
Thank you for sharing this with us. It will be going out on my private E email list before the day is over.
9 posted on 08/08/2003 10:51:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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Please post any sites/links that you have re these alternative Anglican resources. Thank you.
10 posted on 08/08/2003 10:52:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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11 posted on 08/08/2003 11:08:38 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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12 posted on 08/08/2003 11:12:47 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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One thing I would like to see on this thread is a list of all the dissident Episcopal groups that already exist, with a short (2-3 sentence) description and a link to each website. A list of links without descriptions takes too long to scroll through -- each entry could look something like this:

Forward in Faith - forwardinfaith north america International loose association of individual parishes, NA branch founded 1999 originally to oppose ordination of women. "Affiliated" parishes drawn from Episcopal Church in the USA (ECUSA) - Anglican Church of Canada (ACC), Anglican Mission in America (AMIA), and Traditional Anglican Church (TAC). "Associated" parishes drawn from Anglican Catholic Church of Canada (ACCC), Anglican Province of America (APA), Independent (Ind), Reformed Episcopal Church (REC), United Anglican Church (UAC), and United Episcopal Church (UEC). Parish directory here.

OK, I've got the ball rolling. If you have information about any of these Episcopal groups mentioned, just copy this message, add your information to it, and re post. It should accumulate with time!

And God defend the right!

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of Battle; Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke Him, we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl through the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.

13 posted on 08/08/2003 11:35:58 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: trad_anglican; bonfire; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; mel

Some of you may be aware of the above website and some may not.

It is an excellent site and has a lot of daily data on what happened in the convention and other resources.
14 posted on 08/08/2003 11:49:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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To: Joe Boucher; FreeRep; TruthNtegrity; Captain Peter Blood; section9; altura; Marysecretary; ...
I just wanted to let you know about this thread. It is a thread for Episcopalians.

We will be posting links, news letters, sermon re the disaster this past week and other items.

If you have anything to post and share with fellow Episcopalians, please post it.

If you are not an Episcopalian, I'm sorry that I bothered you.

Please let other Episcopalians know about this thread.
15 posted on 08/08/2003 11:55:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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16 posted on 08/08/2003 11:58:01 AM PDT by mel
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To: Grampa Dave
Here is a message posted by Martin Tell on another thread, a statement from american

AAC NEWS ALERT: August 8, 2003

The AAC has just published an important document answering the question "What do I do now?" after the grevious decision of the Episcopal Church to depart from the historic Christian faith.

To read the document, please visit:


-- Statement from Archbishop Bernard Malango, Central Africa (Primate)

-- Statement from Archbishop Greg Venables, Southern Cone (Primate)

American Anglican Council's A Place to Stand General Convention 2003


AAC Answers the Question: What do I do now?"

What just happened?

1. The Episcopal Church has departed from Biblical truth, from the historic teaching of the Christian faith and from the near universal consensus of the Christian Church around the world.

2. In the words of the Primate of Kenya, the Episcopal Church has "kicked itself out of the [Anglican] Communion."

3. In the words of the Primate of Nigeria, the 43 bishops who voted no on Gene Robinson "have refused to bow their knees to baal."

4. The Archbishop of Canterbury has called an emergency meeting of the Primates for October 15-16, 2003, the first such meeting in the history of the Anglican Communion.

What do we do next?

1. Rejoice... in all circumstances. God is still on the throne.

2. Repent... for our participation in our Church's sins. Continue in a spirit of repentance, not arrogance, in the days ahead.

3. Forgive... as Jesus did, "Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing."

4. Pray... for God's grace to guide and sustain us.

5. Love... those who consider themselves to be homosexual, sharing the transforming power of God.

6. Reject... the unbiblical, unconstitutional actions of General Convention. Repudiate them, disassociate yourself from them. Do this personally, as a parish, as a diocese. Communicate with your rector, your bishop (even those bishops who share your views; they need to be supported!), the Presiding Bishop (815 Second Ave., New York, NY 10017), and the Archbishop of Canterbury (Lambeth Palace, London SE1 7JU, England). Copy the American Anglican Council (1110 Vermont Ave., NW Suite 1180 Washington, DC 20005.

7. Reach out... to those who are lonely and isolated in unsupportive parishes or dioceses, and those who share our concerns but are not at General Convention; they are likely confused about what happened, unaware of the strength of our coalition, and uninformed about the Primates, the Plano meeting, etc.

8. Redirect... money from structures which support these actions (parish, diocese, national church), and give to parishes, dioceses, organizations and mission agencies which are upholding mainstream Anglicanism, such as the AAC, FiFNA, and Ekklesia.

Do's and Don'ts

1. Do NOT say you are leaving the Episcopal Church.

2. Do NOT say you are breaking Communion with your bishop.

3. DO say you are NOT leaving the Anglican Communion.

4. Do NOT sue for your property or take unilateral action.

5. DO hold on until Plano.

6. DO give the orthodox bishops and archbishops six months to achieve a framework for dramatic realignment.

What is Plano and what will happen there?

1. It is a gathering of bishops, clergy and lay leaders who embrace biblical faith and teaching and who reject the actions of General Convention, to be held October 7-9, 2003 at Christ Church, Plano, Texas.

2. We will pray, worship, study the Word and preach the Gospel.

3. We will hear reports on actions of specially-convened diocesan conventions.

4. We will prepare a detailed petition and proposal for the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Primates, who will meet October 15-16, 2003

5. We will offer training and specific help with canonical, legal and financial issues.

6. We will build relationships and organize our network.

. . . sounds like a good plan to me!
17 posted on 08/08/2003 12:01:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother; trad_anglican; bonfire; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; mel

Thanks for posting this great advice.

Last night I couldn't sleep and this link had been forwarded to me.

After I read it, I knew that Free Republic, the internet and our email lists would be enable us to battle this crime against our church.

Every Episcopalian who is hurting from this homosexual rape of our church, should read this to know that they are not alone in this battle.

Thanks again for posting this tremendous and uplifting message at this time of crisis.
18 posted on 08/08/2003 12:20:11 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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To: trad_anglican; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; mel; hellinahandcart; ...
Here is the link to the Episcopal Ping list compiled by trad anglican.

If you want off the list please let trad anglican know, or if you want to be added please let trad anglican know.

Here is the Episcopal/Anglican pinglist as of 2:30 CDT on Friday, August 8. If you want to be added or removed, please let trad_Anglican know.

Grampa Dave
N. Theknow
Martin Tell
Joe Boucher
Captain Peter Blood
Irene Adler

146 posted on 08/08/2003 12:32 PM PDT by trad_anglican

19 posted on 08/08/2003 12:44:34 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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I grew up in the Episcopal Church.
I was an Acolyte or altar boy for 5 years.
20 posted on 08/08/2003 1:33:20 PM PDT by FreeRep (Proud to be American: John 3:16)
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