Calvinism- False Doctrines of the "Pope" of Geneva

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[Revelation 911]

We've missed you Rev!

Like gastrointestinal cramps LOL

should i use kerosine or charcoal starter?

I prefer coleman fuel - quicker burn - but you guys seem to favor the green pyre, so I think kero is in order

did anyone bring the desert wine?

[Revelation 911]

Jim.....Its Servetus....He's dead....He's dead Jim

[irishtenor]

He's dead, Jim... You get his Tricorder, I'll get his wallet.

[Frumanchu]

"I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on...hurting you..."

[dsc]

" You never watched the "Ten Commandments"?"

Yeah, I just never thought of that killing as a murder.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Like gastrointestinal cramps LOL

Ah, yes, but don't you know that we like suffering, the comfort of Calvinism...don't believe us? Just ask the 'Clown Cabal'.

did anyone bring the desert wine?

Don't worry Rev, there's been enough whine to go around < /pun>

[snerkel]

Oh my. I'm sure some would enjoy cheese with their whine. :)

[CARepubGal]

LOLOL! Cheese and crackers for some of the whiniest ones. :-)

[P-Marlowe]

It is interesting that the whole Calvinist cabal has showed up and is up in arms about how terrible this article is, yet not one of them has offered an inteeligent critique of the article. They just say that it's trash and its biased and its inaccurate. But thus far they have offered nothing in the realm of a specific critique of the facts presented or the conclusions drawn.

[irishtenor]

Wouldn't that be the dis-comfort of Calvinism?

[dsc]

That's not entirely true. I've already seen information to the effect that disagreeing with Calvin was not Servius' only offense; that he planned sedition and sought temporal power; and that he was burned at the stake at the order of the civil authorities and not Calvin.

[P-Marlowe]

Certainly he was charged with sedition, but there was no evidence to support the charge. Had he been convicted of sedition he would have been beheaded. He was convicted of blasphemy and heresy. Interestingly he was not actually guilty of the original charges since the conduct for which he was charged did not occur in the Jurisdiction of Geneva. The law required that in order to be convicted, the offense must have occurred in the jurisdiction of Geneva, and at the time he was charged in Geneva he had said nothing but was convicted of blasphemy and heresy only on the evidence of his forced testimony at the time of trial.

These people who try to absolve Calvin of responsibility for the death of Servetus are attempting to re-write history. Calvin was his Chief accuser and the Chief witness against him. Calvin did not draw up the indictment, but it was drawn up by his secretary at his direction. The only reason Calvin did not have his name attached to the indictment was because he would have had to be jailed along with the accused until the completion of the trial, and Calvin was tooooooo important to be under lock and key.

Calvin's hands were all over this thing. I really don't see why everyone has to try to whitewash his involvement. He was involved. He was responsible. He took pride in the fact that he had "exterminated Michael Servetus."

[dsc]

Well, the plot do thicken, don't it?

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Thank you for the revisionist history lesson. Is there no low beneth you?

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

< Orwell> Discomfort is Comfort. < /Orwell>

[irishtenor]

I'll take dis comfort over dat comfort :>)(So says even Bigger Brother)

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

You forgot the < /ebonics> tag. LOL

[nobdysfool]

I really don't see why everyone has to try to whitewash his involvement. He was involved. He was responsible. He took pride in the fact that he had "exterminated Michael Servetus."

You go on believing the fantasy...it's your "choice"...but reality sooner or later will come knocking at your door. I hope you don't have any things in your past that would reflect badly on you if they were mis-reported...Keep in mind that it's been over 400 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Calvin, to do just what is trying to be done here, use an ad hominen attack to discredit the doctrine, since you can't refute it directly.

[P-Marlowe]

it's been over 400 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Calvin,

Of course you can exonerate Calvin if you wish, but Calvin himself took credit for the execution.

In a 1561 letter from Calvin to the marquis de Poet, high chamberlain to the King of Navarre, Calvin stated: "Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains: but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those zealous scoundrels who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."

So far nobody from the Calvin Cabal has attempted to refute the facts or the conclusions of the above article by anything other than conclusiory statements that it is in error or that it is biased (as if Calvinists can never be accused of bias).

Frankly I could care less if Calvin was a saint or a sinner. But it seems to me that there is an unhealthy adoration of the man which in light of his overall life is not well deserved. There also seems to be an unhealthy attempt by the Calvinist Cabal members to apologize or whitewash Calvin's objectively evident tyranny.

OK, everybody burned heretics back then. That's fine. But by that standard, the ECUSA should be praised for its tolerance and acceptance of the social mores of today.

[P-Marlowe]

it's been over 400 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Calvin,

You know I see that same argument on these threads in another context by other people who are afraid to face the truth of the clay feet upon which their founders walked. Someone might just say something like this:

it's been over 170 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Joseph Smith

It seems to me that both the Calvinists and the Mormons have difficulty viewing their founders with any true objectivity.