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To: P-Marlowe
I really don't see why everyone has to try to whitewash his involvement. He was involved. He was responsible. He took pride in the fact that he had "exterminated Michael Servetus."

You go on believing the fantasy...it's your "choice"...but reality sooner or later will come knocking at your door. I hope you don't have any things in your past that would reflect badly on you if they were mis-reported...Keep in mind that it's been over 400 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Calvin, to do just what is trying to be done here, use an ad hominen attack to discredit the doctrine, since you can't refute it directly.

78 posted on 08/09/2003 12:15:19 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: nobdysfool
it's been over 400 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Calvin,

Of course you can exonerate Calvin if you wish, but Calvin himself took credit for the execution.

In a 1561 letter from Calvin to the marquis de Poet, high chamberlain to the King of Navarre, Calvin stated: "Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains: but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those zealous scoundrels who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."

So far nobody from the Calvin Cabal has attempted to refute the facts or the conclusions of the above article by anything other than conclusiory statements that it is in error or that it is biased (as if Calvinists can never be accused of bias).

Frankly I could care less if Calvin was a saint or a sinner. But it seems to me that there is an unhealthy adoration of the man which in light of his overall life is not well deserved. There also seems to be an unhealthy attempt by the Calvinist Cabal members to apologize or whitewash Calvin's objectively evident tyranny.

OK, everybody burned heretics back then. That's fine. But by that standard, the ECUSA should be praised for its tolerance and acceptance of the social mores of today.

79 posted on 08/09/2003 12:36:19 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: nobdysfool
it's been over 400 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Calvin,

You know I see that same argument on these threads in another context by other people who are afraid to face the truth of the clay feet upon which their founders walked. Someone might just say something like this:

it's been over 170 years...plenty of time for certain people to try and suppress the truth and falsely implicate Joseph Smith

It seems to me that both the Calvinists and the Mormons have difficulty viewing their founders with any true objectivity.

80 posted on 08/09/2003 12:52:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: nobdysfool
"since you can't refute it directly."

Do you mean predestination?

In the Bible, God calls on us to make choices. He wouldn't do that if we weren't capable of it, if it weren't important, or if we couldn't reach Heaven by making the right choices.

If that's not good enough for you, sorry, it ought to be.
90 posted on 08/09/2003 5:34:58 PM PDT by dsc
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