Calvinism- False Doctrines of the "Pope" of Geneva

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[Wrigley]

That wasn't the point of my question.

[AZhardliner]

This article makes a lot of accusations without much proof. It is a typical diatribe against Calvin and Calvinism. The arguements are tired, a maze of logical falacies, and lack serious scholarship. Servetus was recorgnized as a heretic by Protetstants and Cathloics and was punished according to the standards of the day. Read the primary sources and judge for yourself.
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[ThomasMore]

How about a slam against Augustine? Where are the footnotes or quotes? I agree with you.

[LiteKeeper]

read later

[RnMomof7]

Bump

[RnMomof7]

I suspect many believers come to the Lord by initial studies made by Calvin. I also suspect that as with many 'religions' one can begin to worship false doctrines instead of God. When one follows false doctrines, one trait similar to drunkeness occurs.

Why would you "suspect "that? Unregenerate (and many regenerate men )hate having a sovereign God.

The doctrine of the reformation was Predestination and Election. As such Arminians are not even Protestants.

It is the belief of those that follow the doctrines of Grace that it is the carnal man that worships at his own altar of "free will" (and ye shall be as gods)

It is the fallen nature of man that desires superiority of his will over Gods.

Calvinists are saved by the grace of God, not a doctrine. It is when they have finished their baby bottle and have teeth that most come to the Gospel of Grace.

[RnMomof7]

The whole article is a slam on Calvin. Inflammatory wording is used throughout the article. This isn't history, it is a slam piece from someone with a grudge against Calvin and Calvinism

If you do not like the message shoot the messenger.Pathetic . They have no basis for the Arminian doctrine in scripture, so it is necessary to slander a man that taught it.

[jboot]

I recall another unsavory individual, one who participated in many unjust arrests and at least one murder.

He was the Apostle Paul.

I guess we need to examine his works in the light of his unsavory past as well.

[RnMomof7]

How do you describe burning people at the stake without using inflammatory wording?

Do you understand that 1) that was the practice of the day (to burn or kill heretics?) 2) Do you realize that had he come into a Catholic city he would have befelled the same fate?

Serveus was guilty of sedition. It was his plan to take over the city of Geneva and promote his apostate doctrine as the head of the government

The death of Servus was decided by the city officals , not Calvin

Servus was warned by Calvin of the danger of coming to Geneva before he came

One of the things I love is that God can and does use imperfect and sinful vessals to do His work.

I think of the murderer Moses and the murderer David as two clear examples.

[Frumanchu]

it is, but you're a nuthook anyway :)

[carton253]

(tongue in cheek)

Now, now Mom, let's be fair to David. He only ordered the hit on Urriah the Hittite... he didn't actually murder him. (tongue out of cheek) LOL!

[dsc]

"I guess we need to examine his works in the light of his unsavory past as well"

No, only acts performed after he became a believer would be pertinent.

[dsc]

"Do you understand that"

Burn...inflamatory...that's a joke, son. Ah say, a joke.

"Serveus was guilty of sedition. It was his plan to take over the city of Geneva and promote his apostate doctrine as the head of the government"

That's the sort of information I was asking for.

"The death of Servus was decided by the city officals , not Calvin"

And that.

"One of the things I love is that God can and does use imperfect and sinful vessals to do His work."

Catholic and protestant alike, our God is an amazing God.

"I think of the murderer Moses"

Okay, you got me on that one. I can't remember a murder committed by Moses.

[Sci Fi Guy]

I didn't realize Calvin had actively participated in bringing numerous people to physical executions for disagreeing with Calvin's Institutes.

You need to study the history of that period. Every Christian felt that use of gov't force was justified in fighting evil and defending the Christian Faith. Calvin sent out missionaries even to Italy, where their capture was an instant death sentence.

Even if seemingly justified, surely there is something just as remarkable to publicly aire if Calvin was justified in strapping a book to a condemned man's chest and torturing him for 30 minutes while it burns before the victim burns to death. If not, then one must at least consider that perhaps Calvin was backslidden during this period.

Be very cautious about what you read about Servetus. Some anti-Calvinists (and anti-trinitians) have tried to turn him into a Christian saint. He wasn't. He was an anti-Christian heretic. And according to some things I've read (sorry I cant remember my source) Calvin did try to meet with him. And he tried to betray Calvin to the catholics. (since I cannot remember my source don't hold me on the last one.)

I would not believe any thing this article says. Simply because of it's wild accusations. Calvinism is a cult. Really Charles Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, were both calvinists. Today D James Kennedy, RC Sproul are calvinist, I believe. I would not say that either of them are cultists.

by the way I'm not a calvinist. I just get annoyed when people on both sides get carried away.

got to run to work bye.

[CCWoody]

You should see some of the prophecies listed on this guy's website:

The left-wing liberal Democrat Party will win the Presidential election in 2004 and obtain majorities in both the US Senate and House of Representatives. The Democrat Party win may be delayed until the 2008 election, but conditions are falling into place for the win in 2004.

Talk about hedging your "prophetic" bets.

Woody.

[ksen]

Do you serve white or red wine with barbequed poofster?

I believe you combine the two in order to have a nice pink wine with your poofster.

[ksen]

Did not Calvin teach that God through his irresistible grace forces the elect to believe?

I may be wrong, but I believe that Calvin taught that God, in His grace, removes our impediment to believe. So once that is removed, we WANT to believe. There is nothing forced.

[Revelation 911]

it is, but you're a nuthook anyway :)

No soup for Fru !

[Dr. Eckleburg]

even if the reports exagerrate historical fact...

...you'll post them anyway.

Shoddy scholarship and a waste of time.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

What wonderful links.

xzins, please read AZ's first link in Post #22 -- it speaks to the concept of "God's theater" that you and I talked about.