Pope Again Reaches Out to Orthodox Church

Herald Tribune ^ | June 30, 2003

[NYer]

VATICAN CITY Pope John Paul II again reached out to the Orthodox Church on Sunday, saying his efforts at reconciliation weren't just "ecclesiastic courtesy" but a sign of his profound desire to unite the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches.

John Paul made the comments during his regular appearance to pilgrims and tourists in St. Peter's Square. Later Sunday, he welcomed a delegation from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople at a traditional Mass marking the feast day of St. Peter and St. Paul.

"The exchange of delegations between Rome and Constantinople, for the respective patron feasts, goes beyond just an act of ecclesiastic courtesy," the pontiff said. "It reflects the profound and rooted intention to re-establish the full communion between East and West."

John Paul has made improving relations with the Orthodox Church a hallmark of his nearly 25-year papacy, visiting several mostly Orthodox countries and expressing regret for the wrongs committed by the Catholic Church against Orthodox Christians.

Despite his efforts at healing the 1,000-year-old schism, he hasn't yet visited Russia because of objections from the Russian Orthodox Church.

During the Mass on Sunday, 42 new archbishops received the pallium, a band of white wool decorated with black crosses that symbolizes their bond with the Vatican. Two of the archbishops received the pallium in their home parishes; the rest took part in the Mass in St. Peter's Basilica.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

I never thought of that. Maybe some range time is in order - I've got a lot of .30-06 laying around, about 80 rounds of AP, the remaining 250 rounds of it crap that I've picked up here and there. Hmmmmmm......

[TexConfederate1861]

I am trying to think of the appropriate Greek or Russian word for "Putz"........

[katnip]

Go see what Pope St. Pius X thought of it.

We were talking about what St. John Chrystostom thought of it.

[don-o]

BTW, dragging Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy into the mix

Wonder if "The Grand Inquisitor" is on line?

[don-o]

Wonder if "The Grand Inquisitor" is on line?

Well, bless my soul, it is.

The Grand Inquisitor

"And behold, He deigned to appear for a moment to the people, to the tortured, suffering people, sunk in iniquity, but loving Him like children.

My story is laid in Spain, in Seville, in the most terrible time of the Inquisition, when fires were lighted every day to the glory of God, and 'in the splendid auto da fe the wicked heretics were burnt.'

Oh, of course, this was not the coming in which He will appear, according to His promise, at the end of time in all His heavenly glory, and which will be sudden 'as lightning flashing from east to west.' No, He visited His children only for a moment, and there where the flames were crackling round the heretics.

In His infinite mercy He came once more among men in that human shape in which He walked among men for thirty-three years fifteen centuries ago.

He came down to the 'hot pavements' of the southern town in which on the day before almost a hundred heretics had, ad majorem gloriam Dei, been burnt by the cardinal, the Grand Inquisitor, in a magnificent auto da fe, in the presence of the king, the court, the knights, the cardinals, the most charming ladies of the court, and the whole population of Seville.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

I am trying to think of the appropriate Greek or Russian word for "Putz"........

And so at last the ad hominem, the last refuge of a man with nothing to say.

[MarMema]

Wonder if "The Grand Inquisitor" is on line?

Hey Don, I posted it on the first page, I believe. A link to it I mean. Great minds and all.....

[MarMema]

See post number 17. Kinda interesting this coincidence...

[Hermann the Cherusker]

What utter rubbish.

[MarMema]

And so at last the ad hominem, the last refuge of a man with nothing to say.

Hey why don't you just go sell some beer and LAY OFF for now, ok? Thanks.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

You and the rest of your Papist buddies wouldn't know a Church Father if it hit you in the head.

Same to you, Protestant.

[MarMema]

waste of a darn good name, if you ask me

[MarMema]

Gotta finish bolting the statues in place and spray some clearcoat on the icons.

Make sure the cooler is well-stocked too, ok?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Roger! What's your order? We carry German Beers, Pabst, Iron City, Unibroue and more. Pick your poison!

[ArrogantBustard]

I'll be sure to include all our friends ... Jose, the Captain, and Old Grandad for starters. Gotta have some Trappist Ale, too. I'll need some suggestions to represent your side of the aisle, though.

[TexConfederate1861]

Oh well, though I am not Protestant, at least THEY knew when to get out of your situation....

[TexConfederate1861]

Well, I bet you don't carry Shiner...so......

[Destro]

Herman you are a liar! The Latins were also active participants to the fullness of the Nicean Creeds approved addition. All the Bishops, INCLUDING the Bishop of Rome decreed that the Nicean Creed was now in its full and final form.

And neither the original creed nor the Constantinoplitan addition and the Church father you posted mention the filioque in any way shape or form. It does not exist until the Pope inserted it and hereticed himself and his seat.

[Destro]

I love Chic comics as a comic book collector, and I love them because of the paranoid X-Filish concpiracy take on things. Chic has little to say on the Orthodox mostly because he is waginga holy war against the Catholics and that an alternative Church as old as the Apostles which is also hostile to the Catholics would shake his paranoid delusions.

Theology wise they are garbage but still very amusing reads.

[Destro]

You keep higlighting the Church fathers saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds through the Son by the Father-which is Orthodox--the Latino-Frankish addition alters that to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son which is not the same thing.

Using these everyday items to describe the concept to a lay person:

With a electric motor representing The Father, a wire representing Christ and electricity representing the Holy Spirit: The Father like the motor moves the current/Holy Spirit the current/Holy Spirit passes through the conduit wire/The Son to give light.

The current does not originate in the wire which the filique clause says happens, the wire is the conduit for the current that comes from the motor.

I am not as good as St. Patrick (an Orthodox saint) with his example but that was my attempt to get through to the heathens with an eartly example.