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Herman you are a liar! The Latins were also active participants to the fullness of the Nicean Creeds approved addition. All the Bishops, INCLUDING the Bishop of Rome decreed that the Nicean Creed was now in its full and final form.

And neither the original creed nor the Constantinoplitan addition and the Church father you posted mention the filioque in any way shape or form. It does not exist until the Pope inserted it and hereticed himself and his seat.

You keep higlighting the Church fathers saying that the Holy Spirit proceeds through the Son by the Father-which is Orthodox--the Latino-Frankish addition alters that to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son which is not the same thing.

Using these everyday items to describe the concept to a lay person:

With a electric motor representing The Father, a wire representing Christ and electricity representing the Holy Spirit: The Father like the motor moves the current/Holy Spirit the current/Holy Spirit passes through the conduit wire/The Son to give light.

The current does not originate in the wire which the filique clause says happens, the wire is the conduit for the current that comes from the motor.

I am not as good as St. Patrick (an Orthodox saint) with his example but that was my attempt to get through to the heathens with an eartly example.

Herman you are a liar! The Latins were also active participants to the fullness of the Nicean Creeds approved addition. All the Bishops, INCLUDING the Bishop of Rome decreed that the Nicean Creed was now in its full and final form.

I challenge any Orthodox again to show from the Acts of the Councils where it says the Creed may never again be more fully explained by adding words that further clarify its meaning. The Council of Ephesus, which I quoted, says the exact opposite of what you claim.

It is forbidden to draw up a NEW CREED, meaning a NEW FAITH. Not to more fully explain the NICENE CREED. Otherwise, the actions of Chalcedon, Constantinople III, etc. were heretical because they added to the creed to more fully explain it.

And neither the original creed nor the Constantinoplitan addition and the Church father you posted mention the filioque in any way shape or form. It does not exist until the Pope inserted it and hereticed himself and his seat.

All the Church Father's I posted mentioned the filioque. Go read the quotes again.