The Hebrew View of the Law/Torah and Salvation

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[NinjaDetective]

"Not Subject to the Law of God?"

Part 2. The Hebrew View of the Law/Torah and Salvation

Terminology

We begin with what Christianity calls "the Law," but in Judaism is called the Torah -- the term given to the first five books of the Bible. This is also referred to by Christians as the "Pentateuch" (a Greek term). The term "Law," especially in the legal sense as the western mind understands it, is not an appropriate translation of the word "Torah." A correct translation of Torah is "instruction" or "revelation" -- as in "God's instruction," or "revelation from God." This is how the Torah is presented in Judaism.

The Torah is a revelation of the character of God as well as an insight of what is to come. The Torah is God's instruction on how those who place their trust in Him (Jew or gentile) are to live, so that "all will be well with them." (Deuteronomy 4:40) Verses such as Exodus 12:48-49, Leviticus 24:22 and Isaiah chapter 56, show that the Torah was not strictly for the Hebrews, but also for those Gentiles who wanted to be part of God's people. Although God chose to present His revelation through the Jewish people, it was not to be solely "their religion." They were to be a "light to the world," and bring this revelation to the Gentiles, as Yeshua reminded them in His sermon of Matthew chapter 5.

Though the Torah proper is the five books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy), the term "Torah" can also include the rest of the Tenakh (commonly called the "Old Testament") and the books of the "New Testament," in that they are God's continued revelation/instruction. None of God's later revelation in the rest of the Tenakh (the Prophets & Writings) contradicts the Torah, and none of the "New Testament" contradicts the Torah, Prophets or Writings. God's word is one.

What Does the Tenakh say about the Torah, Forgiveness of Sin, and Salvation?

Unlike the movie, "Back to the Future," we will for the purpose of this study of the Torah, go "forward into the past." In the Gospel of John chapter 3, we have one of the foundational verses of "faith-based Christianity:"

"You must be born again."

Christians tout this as a preeminent "faith teaching of Jesus." Notice however, what the Messiah says to Nicodemus when the latter asks, "How can these things be?"

Yeshua replies to him: "Are you the teacher of Israel and do not know these things?"

Nicodemus is criticized by the Messiah, who says that as a "teacher of Israel," he should have known about being "born again." Now how would Nicodemus know about this if it was a new teaching of Yeshua?

The answer is that "being born again" is not an original teaching from Yeshua and the launching point for some new Christian faith. Being born again was and is fundamental to Torah-based Judaism, as the message of the Torah has always been to have faith in God for salvation and not "work your way."

This can be seen in the book of Deuteronomy:

Deuteronomy 10:16 -- "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiffnecked no longer."

The term "stiffnecked" is equivalent to not having faith. God called the generation in the wilderness stiffnecked because they failed to trust (have faith) in Him. (See Exodus 32:9; 33:3,5; 34:9, Deut. 9:6,13; 2 Chron. 30:8; Acts 7:51)

Hebrews 3:7-4:2, commenting on these same stiffnecked people, said they received the Gospel but failed as they did not "mix it with faith," and "went astray in their hearts."

Deuteronomy 30:6 -- "And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live."

Here the word "live" is used in a spiritual sense and is equivalent to salvation.

The epistles show that "circumcision of the heart" is the equivalent of "being born again":

Romans 2:29 -- "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart ..."

Colossians 2:11 -- "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands ..."

God has always asked that we first recognize and trust in Him before trying to "do" anything for Him. To have faith/trust in Him is the "first commandment."

Exodus 20:2-3 & Deuteronomy 5:6-7 -- I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

Habakkuk 2:4 & Romans 1:17 -- "The righteous live by faith." (Paul quotes this "Old Testament" verse in Romans to make his point.)

Hebrews 11:6 -- "Without faith it is impossible to please Him." (This chapter then goes on to list those who "followed the Law," such as; Moses, David and Samuel)

Yeshua continues His discussion with Nicodemus, speaking of His ascending to heaven (John 3:12-13), thus linking the Torah, (as God spoke about it in Deuteronomy 30:11-14), with Himself (as Paul wrote in Romans 10:1-8). Yeshua concludes his discussion by pointing to the incident of the Children of Israel looking upon the bronze serpent and living (John 3:14) as a faith issue (Numbers 21:9) comparing that to faith in Himself.

God does not change. Salvation in Torah-based Judaism has always been by faith, both before Moses and after him, as well as before Yeshua and after Him. The Torah is God's revelation, as Yeshua is also God's revelation. Faith, Torah and Yeshua are inseparable. Salvation was always through faith, Messiah and Torah, as Yeshua is the lamb slain since the foundation of the world (Hebrews 4:3, 9:26; Rev. 13:8). Yeshua Himself said:

John 8:56 -- "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it, and was glad."

Yeshua is the goal of the Torah (Romans 10:4, see the section below, "Making the Hebrew Connection: Torah and Messiah.") Yeshua is the Torah in the flesh -- the point of John 1:1.

The reason most people don't see this when they read the "Old Testament," is because their understanding of, "what the Scriptures say," is affected by hundreds of years of theology formed by previous generations studying and interpreting the Hebrew Bible in a Hellenized (non-Hebrew) way. This "mindset" is not an easy thing to shake off (especially in the USA) as it is reinforced daily by family, friends, sermons, books, Christian TV programs, Christian holidays -- the entire culture we live in.

How and why the Bible has come to be interpreted in this fashion is discussed further in this document.

A Tenakh Example: How Was King David Saved?

In Hebrews chapter 11 -- the "Faith Hall of Fame" as some have called it, we find three interesting names from the Tenakh -- Moses, David and Samuel. The book of Hebrews says they were saved by faith, even though they were well known for following the Torah.

In writing Psalm 119, David can't say enough about following the Torah. But, according to Christian theology, there is a dilemma with regard to what he writes.

David writes the following about himself:

Psalm 119:22 -- "Take away from me reproach and contempt, for I have kept your testimonies." Psalm 119:51 -- "... yet have I not declined in my interest or turned aside from your Law." Psalm 119:56 -- "I have kept your precepts ..." Psalm 119:102 -- "I have not turned aside from your ordinances ..." Psalm 119:121 -- "I have done justice and righteousness ..."

Is this the same David that committed adultery with Bathsheba and had Uriah murdered? Not to mention a number of other documented violations of the Torah. According to Christian theology, David is clearly a liar. How can he claim to have followed "the Law," when we all know how he broke it in some terrible ways? To add to the "confusion," God Himself calls David, "a man after His own heart." (1 Samuel 13:14)

So is David a liar? Perhaps God is making an "exception" for him?

There is a hint of the answer found in Psalm 119 itself:

Psalm 119:159 -- "Consider how I love your precepts; revive me and give life to me, O Lord, according to your loving kindness."

The term "loving kindness" is hesed in Hebrew, and is the equivalent of the word grace in the "New Testament." David knew he was saved by God's grace -- NOT by keeping all the commandments perfectly, but rather by what he says at the beginning of the verse; "Consider how I love your precepts ..."

An interesting question to ask is, "Why does God save us?" The typical reply might be, "So we won't go to hell." That may be true, but it's an incomplete answer. In fact, God saves us so that we can perform the commandments (mitzvot) of His Torah in this lifetime. Our performing God's mitzvot is part of His desire to return us back into a correct relationship, the purpose and intent of mankind, as first seen in the Garden of Eden (Gan Eden).

(Taking it a step further, one could ask, why did Yeshua say, "we would always have the poor?" (Matthew 26:11) Part of the answer is so that we would be able to perform the mitzvot of charity!) (9)

Psalm 119 shows David asking to be saved so that he could then follow God's Torah. God judged David on his faith AND desire to follow the Torah, NOT on his ability to keep every point of it. No one has ever been "saved" by their ability to keep Torah, nor has that ever been an option for salvation.

The idea that Torah-based Judaism taught that anyone was ever saved by works is false. Throughout the ages there have indeed been those in Judaism who have taught incorrectly. The behavior of specific individuals or groups does not change what Torah-based Judaism has always taught. Even the error of the Jewish leaders at the time of Yeshua does not make Christianity, or any other religion correct. (Let God be true but every man be a liar -- Romans 3:4.) The only thing that is "right," is what God Himself established.

Faith and desire to follow His Torah are inseparable according to God.

Why is this so?

God says what He wants from us ... to fear Him, walk in His ways, to love Him and to serve Him with all your heart and soul (Deuteronomy 10:12) -- "His ways" were given in the Torah. However, you cannot walk in His ways (follow the Torah) without faith (Hebrews 10:38) Salvation "Under the Law"

Let us examine the aforementioned quote by Christian author, Norman Geisler:

While Moses set up the moral and social structures that guided the nation, the Law could not save anyone from the penalty of their sins, which is death. As Paul says, 'By the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin' (Rom 3:20). The revelation which came through Jesus, though, was one in which the sins which the Law made known are forgiven, 'being justified as a gift by his grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus' (v. 24). Christ's revelation builds on the foundation of Moses by solving the problem of which the Law made us aware.

Geisler's statement summarizes Christianity's view of the Torah, forgiveness of sin and salvation:

There was no actual forgiveness and true salvation before Yeshua, when people were "under the Law," as all the Law could do was expose sin. Forgiveness came only when Jesus arrived on the scene. Scripture has something different to say on the subject however, with God Himself making it clear that forgiveness was attainable long before Yeshua's death and resurrection:

Isaiah 1:18 -- Come now and let us reason together says the Lord, Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow.

Strong's Concordance shows that there are more references to God forgiving sin in the book Leviticus, than in any other book in the Bible. Perhaps God wasn't serious all those times He told people that their sins were forgiven when they did what He told them to do, in faith?

An argument is made by some that the sacrifices in the "Old Testament" didn't really forgive sin, (even though the words of the Bible say they did). Rather, they merely provided a "covering" for people's sins. Unfortunately, there is nothing in Scripture that supports this idea, or indicates we should not believe what we read when God says their sins were forgiven. Attempts to prove otherwise always stem from pulling verses out of their context.

For example:

Hebrews 10:4 -- "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sin."

The problem here is that this verse is in the specific context of the Yom Kippur sacrifice - not the daily sacrificial system in general. Christianity does not understand the difference between the two and completely misses the point of the letter of Hebrews. (See the section below, "Christianity's Difficulty With the Law," for more about Yom Kippur and the book of Hebrews.)

Another Christian teaching is that until "Jesus' victory at the cross," we were totally powerless against sin. If that is true, why did God tell Cain, the son of Adam, that he could win out over sin:

Genesis 4:7 -- "If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."

The fact that people could be considered righteous and blameless in God's sight, before Yeshua's death, is shown as early as Cain (above), through the Tenakh (i.e., David), right up to before Yeshua's birth, where in the "New Testament," Scripture says of the parents of "John the baptist":

Luke 1:6 -- "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."

According to Christian doctrine, how could these people be considered righteous, "according to the Law," prior to "Jesus' work on the cross?"

Why did God Give the Torah at Mount Sinai?

If salvation was always attainable by faith from the time of Adam, and the Torah (God's word), was also always in existence (John 1:1), then why did God give the Torah (as we have it in the Bible) to Moses at Mount Sinai?

The short answer is; Out of mercy.

First, recall the days of Noah. Man had become so sinful that God, after first removing the righteous (Torah-observant) people, such as Enoch and Methuselah, spared Noah and seven others to repopulate the earth. However, before He did this, out of mercy, He gave man 120 years to repent. (Genesis 6:1-8) They failed and the flood came. Note that Noah knew what animals were unclean (Genesis 7:2), even though this was well before Moses received the Torah which contained those instructions. Therefore, we know that God's revelation of the Torah, in some way, was given to man from the beginning.

Skip ahead ten generations to Abraham's time. God makes Abraham a promise to inherit certain lands that are presently occupied by evil people. However, God tells him that the time for their destruction has not yet arrived, as they have not reached the fullness of their wickedness (Genesis 15:16). God, out of mercy, gave those people another 400 years to turn from sin back to Him -- which they did not do.

Finally, move forward to the arrival of the Yeshua the Messiah. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son ..." (John 3:16) We all know the rest of that verse. Again, God acts out of mercy. Man has continually strayed from God. Ignorance of God's will, His Torah, is no excuse. That is why God, in the Torah he gave Moses, prescribed sacrifices for sins done in ignorance of the Torah.

God, in His mercy, hasn't destroyed the earth every other generation since Noah, or continually struck individuals with lightning bolts -- though some may have deserved it. Yeshua has been involved here, acting as a propitiation (an advocate or buffer) between God and man -- not only for believers, but also for the rest of the world. (1 John 2:2) Scripture tells us that the Lord's salvation was done at the foundation of the world. The idea of the Messiah's work being "done" thousands of years before His earthly crucifixion and resurrection, may be hard for some to grasp, however God does not work within the concept of time as we relate to it.

To summarize; the Torah at Sinai was given out of mercy and for several related purposes:

To give guidance, as man's sin was getting so bad To "stir up" sin in man, in that given a "line to cross," human nature will be tempted to do so (Romans 7:7-11) To make man realize how he falls short of God's holiness To point man to God, whom he must trust for salvation, as trust in God is "Commandment #1" The Torah was also given to show man how to live for God and with your neighbor (Matthew 22:37-40). The fact that we have faith in Yeshua does not void what the Torah says about HOW to do this. Christianity teaches that we don't have to follow the Torah, as Jesus nullified its specifics by summarizing everything in the two commandments that He gave in this Matthew verse. Instead of following God's revelation (the Torah), Christianity says we now have "liberty from the Law." We now follow something called "the law of love" or "law of Christ." Christianity says we are now "led by the Spirit" and no longer subject to "the Law."

Did God Give His People an "Impossible Task?"

As previously outlined, Christianity, in one form or another, teaches that God gave Moses and His people a list of commandments they were to obey perfectly in order to be saved, but as sinful humans, they could not keep these. Therefore, there was no way to "follow the Law" until Jesus arrived to usher in the "era of grace"-- 1300 years later.

According to this theology, God told His people to do something He knew they could not do, with the stipulation that if they failed, they were damned.

Is God a sadist? Of course not. Yeshua Himself said that even we, being evil, treat our children fairly, and that God treats us better than any of us treat our own. Yet some form of this perverse idea is taught throughout Christianity's denominations.

Examine what God Himself said when He gave the Torah:

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 -- "For this commandment which I command you today is not too mysterious for you, nor is it far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?' Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it.' But the word is very near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it."

God Himself makes it clear -- He told His people that the Law was not too hard for them to follow.

[stranger and pilgrim]

>>You refered me to Revelation, and I will suggest you take a good look at Revelation. The churches are admonished and told to REPENT! <<

Revelation is symbolic. The seven churches in chapter 2 and 3 are not actual "churches" as we think of them but rather the spirits within our own mind that need to be brought up to a deeper depth.

But, yes, they are told to repent. Does Israel need no repentence? If you'd like examples, I'm sure we could find a few in the writings of the prophets.

[stranger and pilgrim]

To ET & NinjaDetective:

I've enjoyed our little chat but I've got to go mow the law . . . . (sorry, I "GET" to go mow the lawn . . . )

[ET(end tyranny)]

I choose not to regard the day.

Suit yourself.

Mark 2
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The sabbath IS the LORD'S DAY!

Sounds like you are following the commands of men, and not the commands of God. And as you pointed out, Doesn't worry Himself over whether the person is a Jew or a gentile, AS LONG AS THEY ARE DOING HIS WIll! And that included His commands. :)

The gentiles that choose to show their love of God by obeying His commands are those that are grafted unto Israel. It isn't about any 'church', it is about doing God's will.

Deuteronomy 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. God doesn't change or lie.

What did Paul mean by 'new creature'?

I already showed what he meant... can't help it if you didn't like the answer.

What did Paul mean by "old things are passed away"?

He was talking about the Levitical priesthood, sacrifices would stop. God didn't want sacrifices anyway, and was trying to wean them away from them.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

decayeth and covenant in this verse from the Greek 3822 palaioo pal-ah-yo'-o from 3820; to make (passively, become) worn out, or declare obsolete:--decay, make (wax) old.
1) to make ancient or old
a) to become old, to be worn out
b) of things worn out by time and use
2) to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated

Hosea 14:2
Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

The sacrifices stop, and instead of offering calves.... the words/prayers from our lips will take the place of sacrifices as we repent and ask forgiveness.

p> Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Mark 12
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Isaiah 1:11
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Psalm 51
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

1 Samuel 15:22
And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Hosea 6
6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Psalm 40
6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.

Throughout the Jewish scriptures, the prophets declared that repentance and charity are more pleasing to God for atonement than a blood sacrifice.

[DoorGunner]

While this particular post seems reasonable, on first glance, the reader should consider the source.

The YashaNet reading list:

http://www.yashanet.com/reading.htm

 

Level IV - Torat ha-Sod (Torah-based mystical Bible study)

Note: Much of the material in Level IV is highly advanced. I do NOT
recommend these books for anyone who has not been a Torah-observant
follower of Yeshua at least a full year, as well as being well studied in
Talmud and related areas of Jewish learning.

[There are too many KABBALISM books to list. Note, that these are for the "highly advanced.]

 

Books by Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi

Z'ev ben Shimon Halevi is a contemporary teacher of Kabbalah and my
favorite author. Of his books listed below, I recommend beginning with
"The Way of Kabbalah," before proceeding to any of the others.

 

[These also, are Kabbalistic.]

If any Christian fails to understand the linkage between Kabbalah, and Gnosticism, and why they cannot fit into Biblical Christianity, it is enough to understand that they are incompatible. Read with discernment.

DG

[stranger and pilgrim]

ET writes:

>>I choose not to regard the day.

Suit yourself.

Mark 2
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The sabbath IS the LORD'S DAY! <<


You asked about Christmas (I presume). You have no idea how I spend my Saturdays (or Sundays).

Besides, isn't the Sabbath still on where you are? It seems you're spending the Sabbath the same way I am . . .

[stranger and pilgrim]

ET answered my querry:

>>What did Paul mean by "old things are passed away"?

He was talking about the Levitical priesthood, sacrifices would stop. God didn't want sacrifices anyway, and was trying to wean them away from them. <<

Originally you said:

"Converting from idolatry to Judaism, showing God's proprietorship over us his creations."

Which is it? Did you change your mind?

[ET(end tyranny)]

Are you really that obtuse?

The sacrifices would stop, and that's because God didn't desire them to begin with!

But His Laws are eternal, His covenant is eternal.

[stranger and pilgrim]

Rom2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Circumcision was the last thing needed by a gentile to become a full fledged Jew, it was also what made many gentiles refuse to become Jews. SO, after the crucifixtion, circumcison was done away with for gentiles to be grafted unto Israel. Acts 15:28-29 tells you what things/laws were necessary for the gentiles to become grafted. The Holy Spirit deemed these things necessary AFTER the crucifixtion. :)

[Thinkin' Gal]

If any Christian fails to understand the linkage between Kabbalah, and Gnosticism, and why they cannot fit into Biblical Christianity, it is enough to understand that they are incompatible. Read with discernment. DG

Matthew 19:21-25

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

This is an Alef-Beit parable.

GIMEL
Reward and Punishment

Our Sages teach that the gimel symbolizes a rich man running after a poor
man, the dalet, to give him charity. The word gimel is derived from the
word gemul, which in Hebrew means both the giving of reward as well as the
giving of punishment. In Torah, both reward and punishment have the same
ultimate aim the rectification of the soul to merit to receive G-d's light
to the fullest extent.

http://www.inner.org/hebleter/GIMMEL.HTM

Gimel: rich man, camel
Dalet: poor man, door
Kuf: eye of the needle

It is easier for a [gimel] to go through the [kuf], than for a [gimel] to [chase after the dalet].

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

yud hei vav [dalet] hei

[stranger and pilgrim]

>>Circumcision was the last thing needed by a gentile to become a full fledged Jew, it was also what made many gentiles refuse to become Jews. SO, after the crucifixtion, circumcison was done away with for gentiles to be grafted unto Israel. Acts 15:28-29 tells you what things/laws were necessary for the gentiles to become grafted. The Holy Spirit deemed these things necessary AFTER the crucifixtion. :)<<

You said that circumcison was done away with and sacrifices were done away with but you say the Law is eternal. So, what do you mean when you say the Law is eternal. Clearly you don't mean it can't or won't be changed?

And if they are changed, wouldn't someone who considered themselves a child of God need to follow the changed Law? Would it be right for a Jew to still over sacrifices after they were done away with?

[stranger and pilgrim]

>>Circumcision was the last thing needed by a gentile to become a full fledged Jew, it was also what made many gentiles refuse to become Jews. SO, after the crucifixtion, circumcison was done away with for gentiles to be grafted unto Israel . . . <<


I was going to let it slide but I decided it should be mentioned that you clearly missed the point of the verse.

[DoorGunner]

Although every constituent part of your post is clear enough, I am unable to grasp your point, or perhaps, your position on Kabbalism.

DG