What reconciliation? SSPX Demotes Former French Superior

Envoy Encore ^ | 5/28/03 | Pete Vere, JCL

[NYer]

What gives? This appears to be another manifestation of the traditionalists vs. the "neo-Catholics" debate.

Come on, Pyro, get with it! Open your eyes, smell the coffee .... admit that "St". Faustina was ordained in order to provide the Polish peoples with someone pleasing to them. And, as for "St". Juan Diego ... oh brother, ... he is a nobody! Another fabrication of THIS pontificate, determined to increase the "dwindling" number of catholics by canonizing just about anyone! (/sarcasm).

This post has been a veritable eye opener for me. Except for the French SSPX who are still hopeful of reconciling with Rome, those on this side of the Atlantic Ocean have saddled up with an Anglican leader who "passed through" the catholic church on his way to the SSPX. Just how much understanding of the Catholic Church can he have, much less any fidelity to the Holy Father. These SSPXers are rapidly headed towards sedevacantism, which they embrace with open arms.

[k omalley]

Oh, no. I have no doubt concerning JPII's belief in the Resurrection. I was just looking ahead to the next pope with some trepidation. But who knows, JPII may outlive us all.

[american colleen]

I don't doubt he is a wonderful husband - I sincerely mean that. I was just being kind of sarcastic and wondering if SSPX women are allowed to use the computer. I've never seen one post here.

[drstevej]

***I have no doubt concerning JPII's belief in the Resurrection. I was just looking ahead to the next pope with some trepidation.***

Have no fear I firmly believe in the resurrection.

[drstevej]

The SSPX Chicks are hip
I really dig the veils they wear
And the traditionalist gals with the way that they kneel
They knock me out when they're in prayer

I wish they all could be LeFerbvrist
I wish they all could be LeFerbvrist
I wish they all could be LeFerbvrist girls!

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

wondering if SSPX women are allowed to use the computer. I've never seen one post here.

lol.. I've never seen one here either.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

rofl... That's very good! I don't think we've had a Pope with a recording career yet.

[jt8d]

"What would happen if a man who denies the physical Resurrection of Our Lord gets elected pope? I shudder to think."

That would mark the beginning of the Great Apostacy, and through such a man would come the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Temple--the Body and Blood of Christ would have no meaning in a Church headed by such a Pope.

[NYer]

In all fairness, I've seen ultima speak out against the mistreatment of women and Williamson's ideas about women. I think he treats his wife better than most here.

And you are probably right!

Understand that this thread has exposed even the most conservative of us to a traditional extremism. To deny the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy, given by Our Lord to Sr. Faustina, is to deny Christ Himself!

"Paint an image according to the pattern you see with the signature: Jesus I trust in You ... I promise that the soul that will venerate this image will not perish. I also promise victory over enemies already here on earth, especially at the hour of death. I Myself will defend it as My own glory... I am offering people a vessel with which they are to keep coming for graces to the fountain of mercy. That vessel is this image with the signature: "Jesus I trust in You" ... I desire that this image be venerated, first in your chapel, and throughout the world."

It's one thing to freeze the liturgy of a missal dated 1962, it is quite another to stop the progression of saints or deny that Christ has anything else to say to those of us who love Him, and follow His appointed successor on earth.

Those of us who are faithful to the Holy Father are labeled "modernists" .... no longer viewed as catholics! Yet, we who are members of the Church Militant, are out there on the frontlines defending our church in the face of adversity. It is a weekly battle and, oh how we would love nothing more than to attend mass without having to keep track of abuses. Yet, it is because of OUR efforts, that the church is rallying. We all know, only too well, that the Vatican operates at a snail's pace. So be it! We will defend our Holy Father, even unto death.

[k omalley]

Whew! Thank goodness! My worries are over.

[ultima ratio]

Neither you nor sitetest do anything but slander people. Where are the proofs for any of these accusations and slurs?

I am not a fan of Williamson's particular viewpoint--which is to the right of me--but he is not what you contend. You have consistently misrepresented his views--and that is nothing short of dishonest.

Nor is he the leader of a "cult", as you suggest--he is a leader in a traditionalist movement that has the Vatican falling over itself to reach some kind of rapprochement quickly.

Why? Because it knows the Society teaches nothing new, holds no radical views or doctrines, and is the living embodiment of its own Catholic past--relentlessly opposed by the modernist radicals now in power. This has proved a major embarrassment to Rome.

No, the real revolutionaries and cultists are the guys you pal around with--the gay bishops who endorse gay Masses, the lefty bishops who confuse political correctness with the Catholic faith, the same people who concocted a Lutheran Mass for Catholics.

I ask you--who's really more radical--a pope praying with witchdoctors and animists, or Bishop Williamson celebrating the old Mass?

[k omalley]

"That would mark the beginning of the Great Apostacy"

And I would start looking for the underground church or head for the EO's. But that is only in my worst nightmares. May they never come to reality.

[NYer]

Why Dr. Steve .. you have such an uncanny sense of timing!

I wish they all could be LeFerbvrist girls!

ROFLMAO!!!! Thanks, I needed that and probably some of the other posters, as well. LOL!

According to these SSPXers, it would seem that you and I and the others viewed as 'modernists' have lots in common. And doesn't that just make my heart sing!

They have frozen themselves into a time warp!

[ultima ratio]

Bishop Williamson became a Catholic priest before he was consecrated a Catholic bishop--validly. In any case, why should SSPX be tarnished by Williamson? Look at the Novus Ordo bozos who are cardinals and bishops approved by Rome. They are far more scandalous on the whole. What does this say about the Holy See and its choices?

[ultima ratio]

"As sitetest said, you'd think Lefebvre could have done better than elevate an anti-semitic misogynist like Willliamson to the episcopate."

As I have said, you'd think JnPII could have done better than elevate gay and heretical bishops like Weakland and Kasper, etc. to the episcopate.

You sure you want to go down this road? If so, you lose.

[sinkspur]

I ask you--who's really more radical--a pope praying with witchdoctors and animists, or Bishop Williamson celebrating the old Mass?

The real choice is between the successor of St. Peter, who values every human being,and a wacky bishop, who cautions his dopey followers against praying with Novus Ordo Catholics, while he obsesses over women who wear shorts and pants.

Williamson's all you've got, in the line of episcopal succession, here in the United States.

Neither you nor sitetest do anything but slander people. Where are the proofs for any of these accusations and slurs?

Slanders and slurs? Read the goofy stuff Williamson writes; the only one doing the slurring is Dickie-boy.

[ultima ratio]

Where are the proofs about Williamson besides Catholicguy's anti-Semitic nonsense--which he tried to use against Lefebvre as well? You don't feel any compunction about repeating such garbage without evidence. This is plain old-fashioned slander. SLANDER. It deserves capitalization. This is a deliberate effort to impugn the integrity of good people with smears and lies. Where is the proof of Williamson's anti-Semitism? Put up or shut up.

[k omalley]

I would like to go down this road to a point. Have you read Kaspar's book? What is your understanding of his interpretation of the Resurrection?