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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; sinkspur; ninenot
In all fairness, I've seen ultima speak out against the mistreatment of women and Williamson's ideas about women. I think he treats his wife better than most here.

And you are probably right!

Understand that this thread has exposed even the most conservative of us to a traditional extremism. To deny the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy, given by Our Lord to Sr. Faustina, is to deny Christ Himself!

"Paint an image according to the pattern you see with the signature: Jesus I trust in You ... I promise that the soul that will venerate this image will not perish. I also promise victory over enemies already here on earth, especially at the hour of death. I Myself will defend it as My own glory... I am offering people a vessel with which they are to keep coming for graces to the fountain of mercy. That vessel is this image with the signature: "Jesus I trust in You" ... I desire that this image be venerated, first in your chapel, and throughout the world."

It's one thing to freeze the liturgy of a missal dated 1962, it is quite another to stop the progression of saints or deny that Christ has anything else to say to those of us who love Him, and follow His appointed successor on earth.

Those of us who are faithful to the Holy Father are labeled "modernists" .... no longer viewed as catholics! Yet, we who are members of the Church Militant, are out there on the frontlines defending our church in the face of adversity. It is a weekly battle and, oh how we would love nothing more than to attend mass without having to keep track of abuses. Yet, it is because of OUR efforts, that the church is rallying. We all know, only too well, that the Vatican operates at a snail's pace. So be it! We will defend our Holy Father, even unto death.

129 posted on 06/04/2003 5:05:21 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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Yet, it is because of OUR efforts, that the church is rallying.

This is presumption. The Church only prospers or withers because of grace, not due to the deeds of any members. It will neither rally nor concede defeat because of our activities, but only because of the holiness of all its members. And by the way, the Church is NOT rallying, it is sinking ever deeper. So I wouldn't consider it prudent to claim credit one way or another.

192 posted on 06/04/2003 8:40:55 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: NYer
"To deny the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy, given by Our Lord to Sr. Faustina, is to deny Christ Himself!"

You can't be serious. Are you out of your mind? The woman was illiterate, couldn't write. Most of her "writings" were done by others--and were doctrinally questionable until the Pope took a fancy to her. None of this is important as far as the Catholic faith goes. Believe it or not, as you will, but don't make it the linchpin of your faith. This is truly crackpot thinking.
241 posted on 06/04/2003 10:17:11 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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