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Catholic/Protestant Post - San Antonio Cathedral Hosts Neo-Pagan Lay Liturgy
The Wanderer
| May 20, 2003
Posted on 05/21/2003 5:36:35 PM PDT by NYer
A parody of the Mass was held in the newly renovated San Fernando Cathedral - the oldest cathedral in the US - on April 29, 2003 when a ceremony honoring the pagan goddess Sophia was celebrated as part of an ecumenical event for Catholics and representatives of varius Protestant groups sponsored by the Pastoral Summit.
Though the chief celebrant of this pagan liturgy was a nun, Sr. Martha Ann Kirk, the liturgy was created by Fr. Jake Emperereur, S.J., vicar and liturgist at the cathedral.
The pagan liturgy, officially called a community worship service, opened with the congregation turning to the baptismal font at the entrance to the cathedral.
After the water in the baptismal font was sanctified in the name of Sophia and Wisdom, participants in the entrance procession danced toward and into the sanctuary, sprinkling the audience with this water.
Next an offertory meal of bread and wine and fruits was brought in, and a select group of three women ritualistically set the meal on the altar. Sr. Kirk then appeared to consecrate the bread, fruit and wine, and a communion-like sharing was held in which the overwhelming majority of the audience participatd by breaking a piece of bread from the large loaves and consuming it.
After a short skit about Kind David and Sophia, the troupe held an exit procession.
The Pastoral Summit, led by noted Catholic author Paul Wilkes, a leader in the movement to establish a lay-run church, will hold similar three-day events in Indianapolis, and Boston in coming months.
The featured speakers at the San Antonio event, held April 28, 29 and 30, were Notre Dame professor Scott Appleby and Ruby Bridges, who, as a little girl, symbolized the integration of New Orleans public schools.
In Indianapolis, June 17-19, featured speakers will be Ken Fong and Fr. David Cozzens, while in Boston, October 6-8, the featured speakers will be Alice McDermott and Huston Smith.
The sponsor of the Pastoral Summit was the Lilly Endowment, and attendees for the summit came from across the US to learn and share information on what makes successful worship and parishes.
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I checked out their web site...
E-Mail
sfc2000@sfcathedral.org
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115 Main Plaza
San Antonio, Texas 78205 U.S.A.
Make a contribution to their renovation:
Phase One - Cost $5,700,000
Phase One involves the restoration, extensive repairs to the church and enhancements for making the liturgy more in line with the vision of the Second Vatican Council.
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posted on
05/22/2003 5:18:40 AM PDT
by
drstevej
(FR token Protestant)
To: NYer
In order to post this story, I had to type it into my word processor. Thanks, I was figuring this would get some "airtime" here.
I liked the part from "father" Emperereur when he explains that the Church has never taught a physical presence in the Eucharist.
SD
To: NYer
**the liturgy was created by Fr. Jake Emperereur, S.J., vicar and liturgist at the cathedral.**
Huh?
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posted on
05/22/2003 6:24:06 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: NYer
Thanks for that email address. Evidently this joker has not heard about the G. I. R. M.
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posted on
05/22/2003 6:25:18 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: NYer
45
posted on
05/22/2003 6:26:00 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Pyro7480
Prayer to the Archangel Michael:
St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and the snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Hosts, by the Power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world, seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen!
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posted on
05/22/2003 6:28:01 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: drstevej
Great research there, Steve!
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posted on
05/22/2003 6:30:31 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Antoninus
Speaks for itself.
I'm speechless.
To: drstevej
That's quite...er...vivid. :-)
I immediately pictured the scene in my head. I have to admit, I was not completely averse to the idea.
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posted on
05/22/2003 6:48:51 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: Revelation 911
this is just so wrong and sad on so many levels - the only ecumenism should be thursdays breakfast among local pastors and preists I've actually seen "good ecumenism." In my old parish, we had a Good Friday service (there is no Mass on Good Friday), in the main church, in which a number of denominations took place. We had Methodists, Episcopalians, Mormons, Baptists, etc. There was nothing in the service with which any group had a theological issue, so it worked.
But, that is the exception, I suppose.
50
posted on
05/22/2003 6:54:26 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: B Knotts; P-Marlowe
***I've actually seen "good ecumenism." In my old parish, we had a Good Friday service (there is no Mass on Good Friday), in the main church, in which a number of denominations took place. We had Methodists, Episcopalians, Mormons, Baptists, etc. There was nothing in the service with which any group had a theological issue, so it worked.***
Just remove the Mass & the Pope and your ecumenism can be completed! (OK, the Mormon "we have the keys" and "living prophet" thing would need to go too.)
51
posted on
05/22/2003 7:04:31 AM PDT
by
drstevej
(FR token Protestant)
To: drstevej
Yeah, but then, we'd be separated from the Sacraments, and would no longer be in an apostolic Church.
And, judging from some of the arguments I've seen between different groups of Protestants here, I"m guessing it'd take more than that to "fix things up." :-)
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posted on
05/22/2003 7:07:29 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: B Knotts
My point is that the Good Friday service you mention masks the mammoth differences between Catholics, Protestants and Mormons. Ecumenism that whisks aside these vital doctrinal issues is not "good" in any real sense of the word. Unless you are using good in the sense that it is a good means to try to coaz people into the Catholic Church. In that case, what you term good the other groups would term sneaky.
Just a thought or two.
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posted on
05/22/2003 7:12:28 AM PDT
by
drstevej
(FR token Protestant)
To: NYer
Just when you think it CAN'T get any worse...
I've bookmarked this and noted the visit to Boston in early October. I don't "know" anyone but I have a few local contacts that I will pass this on to. Maybe enough publicity can nip it in the bud.
Aside of being generally outraged, this stuff makes you depressed as it bears out the fact that there are two entirely different Catholic Churches here in the USA - AmChurch and the Roman Catholic Church, operating side by side and sometimes in the same place.
Pray for discernment.
To: american colleen
***Pray for discernment.***
You guys need to move beyond discernment to action. See post #39 and start a grass roots campaign for Pope Piel!
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posted on
05/22/2003 7:16:49 AM PDT
by
drstevej
(FR token Protestant)
To: drstevej
If this parody of Catholicism ever hits Boston, I will move to action and be at the venue where it is taking place with rosary in hand.
Pope Piel - [pocket]fisher of man... there is little or nothing we can do on that score. If you are really among the elect[ed], that is. ;-)
To: drstevej
I would have opposed it if I felt it masked differences. The reason I thought this one was OK was that it was just an opportunity for Christians to get together and remember the Sacrifice that is made for all of us. There were no doctrinal issues to speak of. There are things we agree upon, and the facts of Christ's Passion are some of them.
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posted on
05/22/2003 7:23:45 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: B Knotts
There is, in my neck of the woods, an Easter Sunday ecumenical prayer service on the steps of one of the two churches in town. One is Protestant (baptist, I think) and the other is Catholic. They switch locations each year. Nothing wrong with that. I've never attended since it is at 6:30 AM... YIKES!
To: B Knotts
***the facts of Christ's Passion are some of them***
When on the cross He cried out, "It is finished" your tradition and mine would draw significantly different conclusions as to what He meant. And those conclusions are directly related to the Mass.
As to the LDS. I see no reason for them to be there either since their official history records God telling them not to join another church because all other creeds are an abomination.
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posted on
05/22/2003 7:29:23 AM PDT
by
drstevej
(FR token Protestant)
To: american colleen
***I will move to action and be at the venue where it is taking place with rosary in hand.***
Better bring a bull whip too. This kind is cast out only by prayer and lashing!
*** there is little or nothing we can do on that score. If you are really among the elect[ed], that is. ;-) ***
Predestined to have a Calvinist Pope, what a glorious thought!
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posted on
05/22/2003 7:32:41 AM PDT
by
drstevej
(FR token Protestant)
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