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VATICAN: Return of the Latin Mass? "celebrate Latin Mass on a weekly basis in every parish in world"
Inside the Vatican News ^ | May 13, 2003 | Robert Moynihan

Posted on 05/13/2003 2:08:06 PM PDT by Polycarp

The Return of the Latin Mass?

Exclusive: The Vatican is preparing to call, in the clearest way since the Second Vatican Council, for an end to liturgical abuses -- and for far wider use of the old Latin Mass

“The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.”

By Robert Moynihan

VATICAN CITY, May 13, 2003 – Forty years after the Second Vatican Council, after four decades of liturgical "experimentation" which has troubled many of the faithful, Rome is about to issue a major disciplinary document, ending years of a generally "laissez faire" attitude toward liturgical experimentation and “do-it-youself” Masses.

The document is now in draft form and is expected to be published between October and Christmas this year.

In a bombshell passage, the document will also encourage far wider use of the “old Mass”, the Tridentine rite Mass, in Latin, throughout the Roman Catholic Church.

The new, stricter guidelines for celebrating the liturgy, and the mandate to celebrate the old Latin Mass more widely, even on a weekly basis, in every parish in the world, will be contained in a document to be published by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, headed by Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze.

“We expect the document to be published before Christmas,” Arinze told "Inside the Vatican" in an exclusive interview. “We want to respond to the spiritual hunger and sorrow so many of the faithful have expressed to us because of liturgical celebrations that seemed irreverent and unworthy of true adoration of God. You might sum up our document with words that echo the final words of the Mass: ‘The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.’”

We will be reporting in more detail on this historic document in future issues of "Inside the Vatican."


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; latin
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To: Polycarp
What if I can't understand Latin?
21 posted on 05/13/2003 2:53:41 PM PDT by Some hope remaining.
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To: B Knotts
Cannot they be renovated?

They've already BEEN renovated.

Wasn't INSIDE THE VATICAN one of the places that was jumping up and down about a reconciliation with the SSPX that, subsequently, proved to be false?

Let's wait and see what happens.

Even if priests are allowed a universal mandate, I suspect very few will exercise it, and even then some will do it as a novelty.

22 posted on 05/13/2003 2:54:20 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Perhaps the term I should have used is "unrenovated." :-)
23 posted on 05/13/2003 2:55:37 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Pyro7480
For a little historical accuracy, the Novus Ordo is the normative Mass in the post-Vatican II Catholic world.

True. And it will remain so.

24 posted on 05/13/2003 2:55:49 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Some hope remaining.
What if I can't understand Latin?

Don't worry. The Tridentine Mass will remain an exception. There's not going to be a "mandate" to celebrate the Tridentine Mass every week in every parish.

Mandating it in every diocese I can understand.

25 posted on 05/13/2003 2:59:00 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Petronski
Shall I bring a pitchfork and a torch?

"The Inquisition: Part 4 - Coming to America"

How is that for a title!

I'll bring the stakes, firewood and matches!

26 posted on 05/13/2003 3:06:08 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Onelifetogive
Noooo-body will expect that.
27 posted on 05/13/2003 3:06:55 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski
Arinze's my choice for successor to John Paul the Great.

I think that would be great. Do you know how old he is?

28 posted on 05/13/2003 3:07:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (That's right - you're not from Oklahoma ...)
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To: Tax-chick
You make a good point. He's already 70. Maybe he has a protege....
29 posted on 05/13/2003 3:13:08 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski
Well, Leo XIII was old when he was elected, and then he still lived practically forever ... but if we can get another excellent Pope, we don't want him to die immediately.
30 posted on 05/13/2003 3:15:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (That's right - you're not from Oklahoma ...)
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To: sinkspur
The Tridentine rubrics cannot be observed in most of them.

The people won't understand Latin. Gregorian chant is too difficult to sing. The liturgy committee will quit. It's not cool enough to attract youth. The eucharistic ministers will get upset. The altar girls' mothers will complain. It's too Eurocentric for a diverse faith community like ours. It's not relevant to Vatican II. My dog ate my mother's old Missal.

31 posted on 05/13/2003 3:30:04 PM PDT by Loyalist (This sentence is false.)
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To: Loyalist
The people won't understand Latin. Gregorian chant is too difficult to sing. The liturgy committee will quit. It's not cool enough to attract youth. The eucharistic ministers will get upset. The altar girls' mothers will complain. It's too Eurocentric for a diverse faith community like ours. It's not relevant to Vatican II. My dog ate my mother's old Missal.

I ran outta gas. I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from outta town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake, a terrible flood, locust's. It wasn't my fault!! I swear to God!!

32 posted on 05/13/2003 3:32:19 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Polycarp
“The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace.”

Thanks be to God.

33 posted on 05/13/2003 3:34:22 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Loyalist
My dog ate my mother's old Missal.

rofl.....

34 posted on 05/13/2003 3:35:23 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Loyalist
Your attempt at being ridiculous is no more ridiculous than doddering seniors attempting to kneel to receive the Eucharist where there is no altar rail.
35 posted on 05/13/2003 3:36:13 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Polycarp
I just posted a related article. The Vatican is setting up a new commission to restore the use of Latin.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/910882/posts
36 posted on 05/13/2003 3:39:17 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur; Polycarp
The Novus Ordo is the normative Mass; the Tridentine is an exception and always will be.

I just don't get the sense that there's this huge pent-up demand for the Tridentine Mass, the Catholic Caucus on Free Republic notwithstanding.

I'll settle for nothing less than the Vatican reaffirming Quo Primum and another document totally banning the novus ordo service and preferable a third admitting that it was wrong to have even conjured up and propagated something that passes off as a Mass, but really isn't.

This is not a matter of demand, but a matter of what is true Catholic worship. There are millions out there who don't even know about this. I was one of them until late last year. I bet that if people knew the truth, at least some would make the switch.

37 posted on 05/13/2003 3:49:26 PM PDT by huskyboy (Caution, you're now in the "integrist zone"!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace."

Thanks be to God.

or, as I would say, "Deo gratias". :-) We hope that these invalid "rites" get replaced with the true Latin rite.

38 posted on 05/13/2003 3:52:50 PM PDT by huskyboy (Caution, you're now in the "integrist zone"!)
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To: huskyboy
I bet that if people knew the truth, at least some would make the switch.

What "truth"? That the Tridentine Mass was normative for five hundred years, but that the Novus Ordo is now?

Some people would go to the Tridentine Mass for novelty purposes; some would continue to go even after that.

Let a thousand flowers bloom. Allow a choice of the Tridentine Mass occasionally. It can't be anything but good to accommodate as many Catholics in worship as possible.

39 posted on 05/13/2003 3:56:12 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Polycarp
Maybe its finally time to heal the schism with orthodox traditionalist Catholics and push the schism with heterodox liberal dissenting Catholics (including many bishops here.)

Huh? What? There is no schism where it concerns those who faithful to both Church and tradition. After all, we must obey God first and foremost (Acts 5.29/DR), which means rejecting the novus ordo service and all in Vatican II which conflicts with true Church teaching.

Now, let's turn the tables around for a second. It has been shown in history that after a schism, the schismatic group starts venturing off into heresy. Look at the schismatic Eastern "Orthodox" church and the Anglicans. Both accept or allow divorce. . . both reject the teaching on papal infallibility (as per Vatican I). Today we have the heretical teaching on collegality, which puts a national conference of bishops (or the entire group of bishops, depending on the occasion) above the pope. That's pretty much a schismatic act right there. After all, the NCCB/USCCB has gotten away with the ban on kneeling before receiving "communion" at novus ordo services. They can't even play by the new rules!

With collegiality in place, we can now see a new religion taking shape, courtesy of the post-conciliar faction. Loaded with heresies, too.

So, when was the last time you heard or read anything from a priest, bishop, or supporter of SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, or any other traditionalist group that was heretical?

40 posted on 05/13/2003 4:13:08 PM PDT by huskyboy (Caution, you're now in the "integrist zone"!)
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