VATICAN: Return of the Latin Mass? "celebrate Latin Mass on a weekly basis in every parish in world"

Inside the Vatican News ^ | May 13, 2003 | Robert Moynihan

[B Knotts]

Eucharistic Minister

That would be a priest.

There is no such thing as a lay "Eucharistic Minister," as you know. The proper term is "Extraordinary Minister of the Eucharist." (emphasis mine)

[ninenot]

Allow a choice of the Tridentine Mass occasionally

Now THERE'S a "wide and generous" fellow.

[ninenot]

stick a pre-dieu at one of the stations served by a Eucharistic Minister.

But, of course, you mean an Extraordinary Eucharistic Minister.

Won't you have a surprise when the document forthcoming also eliminates that bunch from working at Sunday Masses???

What, people who kneel don't deserve to receive Communion from a priest?

[narses]

He defines modern charity.

[ninenot]

Please document the "mandate" to REMOVE the altar rails in the first place. I can wait, say, 25 years while you try to find it.

[ninenot]

you're getting melodramatic, Desie

But she's correct. That's in her favor, Sinkie

[narses]

It was in the V2 Schemas that declared that ALL of the Mass was to be in the vernacular with appropriate ad lib moments for the "president" and his dancing girls.

[ninenot]

Actually, they're "extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers" which likely wouldn't be needed for the Tridentine Masses at most parishes.

Nor are they needed at ordinary NO parish Masses. They are a convenience for the priest.

[sinkspur]

Won't you have a surprise when the document forthcoming also eliminates that bunch from working at Sunday Masses???

I would if it did, but it won't.

Extraordinary Ministers are a fact of life in large suburban parishes. Our parish, for instance, has three priests, but we serve two other parishes, so there is never more than one priest at the Church for a Sunday Mass. This, in a parish with over 7000 average Sunday Mass attendance.

[sinkspur]

Please document the "mandate" to REMOVE the altar rails in the first place.

I can't. But, they're gone, in some cases, or never built, in others.

I suspect they won't return any time soon.

[ninenot]

This post creates a false dichotomy, and you ought to know better. The worship of God is most fittingly accompanied by "high art," which is why the II V. Council defined sacred music as pars integralis( an integral part) of the Mass.

Your flawed dichotomy would logically ALSO state that you go to Mass in a barn. Go ahead.

[sinkspur]

Nor are they needed at ordinary NO parish Masses.

They ARE needed, like it or not.

You're being intentionally obtuse, ninenot.

[narses]

How many services do those 7,000 attend?

[Romulus]

This is not practical in many suburban parishes.

Wave of the future, sinky. When will you conservatives learn? You can't block progress.

[narses]

I can't. Really? Then the hierarchs who destroyed them or left them out probably violated Church Law, yes? But, they're gone, in some cases, or never built, in others. Replace them.

[ninenot]

But, you're talking about Church Time here, and you and I will both be dead before that happens.

Well--we agree (finally) that Church Time is lengthy.

But a reminder--or a memento mori, whichever--

When Rembert Weakland arrived in Milwaukee in 1977, he predicted that "all the old people" who like the Old Rite would be dead before he left his appointment here, and that the Old Rite would be extinct.

Deo Gratias he was wrong on all three counts.

[sinkspur]

The worship of God is most fittingly accompanied by "high art," which is why the II V. Council defined sacred music as pars integralis( an integral part) of the Mass.

Really?

Growing up, I remember we had one "High Mass" on Sunday, in the Tridentine days, and everything else was dead silence, musically.

Today, only one of our Sunday Masses is without music, the early Sunday Mass.

We use approved hymnals, and much of the music is dreadful.

But, most Catholic music is, and has always been, dreadful.

[narses]

Abp. Weakland and the sodomite lobby have wreaked havoc on the Church in America. Their day is done. Sinky is bitter that His Holiness will not allow married priests in any major way. That is too bad, but the bigger picture is that the new day is at hand.

[ninenot]

One word: trination. THe priests would actually put in a day about half as long as the average parent's day.

[sinkspur]

How many services do those 7,000 attend?

Seven. And most receive the Eucharist.

Of course, if Maximillian were here, he would say that 90% of them should stay in the pews, since they're in the state of mortal sin.

In Maximillian's world, Extraordinary Ministers would never be necessary.

In his world, I'm not sure why it would be necessary for Jesus to die for our sins, since most of us are going to hell anyway.