Posted on 04/16/2003 5:39:27 AM PDT by RaceBannon
Luke 8
22 Now it came to pass on a certain day, that he went into a ship with his disciples: and he said unto them, Let us go over unto the other side of the lake. And they launched forth.
23 But as they sailed he fell asleep: and there came down a storm of wind on the lake; and they were filled with water, and were in jeopardy.
24 And they came to him, and awoke him, saying, Master, master, we perish. Then he arose, and rebuked the wind and the raging of the water: and they ceased, and there was a calm.
25 And he said unto them, Where is your faith? And they being afraid wondered, saying one to another, What manner of man is this! for he commandeth even the winds and water, and they obey him.
26 And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.
Ship, Storm, Asleep
Jonah 1
3 But Jonah arose to flee to Tarshish from the presence of the LORD. He went down to Joppa, and found a ship going to Tarshish; so he paid the fare, and went down into it, to go with them to Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.
The Storm at Sea
4 But the LORD sent out a great wind on the sea, and there was a mighty tempest on the sea, so that the ship was about to be broken up.
5 Then the mariners were afraid; and every man cried out to his god, and threw the cargo that was in the ship into the sea, to lighten the load. But Jonah had gone down into the lowest parts of the ship, had lain down, and was fast asleep.
6 So the captain came to him, and said to him, "What do you mean, sleeper? Arise, call on your God; perhaps your God will consider us, so that we may not perish."
7 And they said to one another, "Come, let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this trouble has come upon us." So they cast lots, and the lot fell on Jonah.
12 And he said to them, "Pick me up and throw me into the sea; then the sea will become calm for you. For I know that this great tempest is because of me."
15 So they picked up Jonah and threw him into the sea, and the sea ceased from its raging.
17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Matthew 20
17 Now Jesus, going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples aside on the road and said to them, 18 "Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death, 19 and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again."
Preperation Day, Sabbath, Resurrection Day
Galilee: wheel; revolution
Galilee: circuit. Solomon rewarded Hiram for certain services rendered him by the gift of an upland plain among the mountains of Naphtali. Hiram was dissatisfied with the gift, and called it "the land of Cabul" ( q.v.). The Jews called it Galil. It continued long to be occupied by the original inhabitants, and hence came to be called "Galilee of the Gentiles" ( Mat 4:15), and also "Upper Galilee," to distinguish it from the extensive addition afterwards made to it toward the south, which was usually called "Lower Galilee." In the time of our Lord, Galilee embraced more than one-third of Western Palestine, extending "from Dan on the north, at the base of Mount Hermon, to the ridges of Carmel and Gilboa on the south, and from the Jordan valley on the east away across the splendid plains of Jezreel and Acre to the shores of the Mediterranean on the west." Palestine was divided into three provinces, Judea, Samaria, and Galilee, which comprehended the whole northern section of the country ( Act 9:31), and was the largest of the three.
It was the scene of some of the most memorable events of Jewish history. Galilee also was the home of our Lord during at least thirty years of his life. The first three Gospels are chiefly taken up with our Lord's public ministry in this province. "The entire province is encircled with a halo of holy associations connected with the life, works, and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth." "It is noteworthy that of his thirty-two beautiful parables, no less than ninteen were spoken in Galilee. And it is no less remarkable that of his entire thirty-three great miracles, twenty-five were wrought in this province. His first miracle was wrought at the wedding in Cana of Galilee, and his last, after his resurrection, on the shore of Galilee's sea. In Galilee our Lord delivered the Sermon on The Mount, and the discourses on 'The Bread of Life,' on 'Purity,' on 'Forgiveness,' and on 'Humility.' In Galilee he called his first disciples; and there occurred the sublime scene of the Transfiguration" ( Porter's Through Samaria). When the Sanhedrin were about to proceed with some plan for the condemnation of our Lord ( Jhn 7:45-52), Nicodemus interposed in his behalf. ( Deu 1:16,17; 17:8.) They replied, "Art thou also of Galilee?.... Out of Galilee ariseth no prophet." This saying of theirs was "not historically true, for two prophets at least had arisen from Galilee, Jonah of Gath-hepher, and the greatest of all the prophets, Elijah of Thisbe, and perhaps also Nahum and Hosea. Their contempt for Galilee made them lose sight of historical accuracy" ( Alford, Com.).
The Heart of the Earth is not to be confused with the bowels of the earth!
The thing that doesn't fit is "on the third day He rose again according to the scriptures" - which messes a Wednesday crucifiction all up as I think (?) we all agree that He rose on Sunday.
I think I understand what you are saying, but St. Paul does say "on the third day he rose again" and I don't know what you can do with that... ?
I know you are a more knowledgable biblical scholar than I am one. But... (always a but!) Doesn't the bible say that Jesus Christ rose on the first day of the week - which would be Sunday. Why couldn't the Resurrection have happened after midnight and before sunrise on Sunday? And "on the third day" would preclude 3 nights in the grave as any time after the third night in the grave would make it the forth day.
I might not be back for awhile as I am preparing Easter dinner for quite a few people.
Sorry, I still don't see any solid connection here. Jesus wasn't in the habit of speaking and saying things so cryptic that no one could understand. What Jesus said, and He made the connection Himself, was that as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the Whale, He would be 3 days and 3 nights in the Earth (buried), and would rise again after that time, the same as Jonah was returned to land after the same amount of time. The Disciples understood what Jesus said, especially after the Resurrection.
Jesus drew an exact parallel here, and you're trying to obscure it with all sorts of very tenuous and far-fetched explanations that are really non-sequitors.
PS. Thanks for the replies, maybe I am dense.
Matthew 17:22 Now while they were staying in Galilee, Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, 23 and they will kill Him, and the third day He will be raised up." And they were exceedingly sorrowful.
Matthew 20:19 ...and deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock and to scourge and to crucify. And the third day He will rise again."
The Third Day does not equal Three Days and Three Nights
Follow the story...
Matthew 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You." 39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here. 42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.
Matthew 13:1 On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
Matthew 15:32 Now Jesus called His disciples to Himself and said, "I have compassion on the multitude, because they have now continued with Me three days and have nothing to eat. And I do not want to send them away hungry, lest they faint on the way."
...39 And dismissing the crowd, He went into the boat, and came to the borders of Magdala.
Three Days and Three Nights Go By...
Matthew 16:1 Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, "When it is evening you say, "It will be fair weather, for the sky is red'; 3 and in the morning, "It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." And He left them and departed.
The sign of the prophet Jonah, but no three days and three nights...
The Pharisees knew the Bible too, but understood little. Same with you two, while you may not understand, someone on this thread will, and that's who I'm posting to.
Well did Rabbi Sha'ul speak of you...2 Timothy 3:7
Luke 1:26 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin's name was Miryam. 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"
Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about...
Well, pardon me for being so dense...take your high and mighty, I'm-so-much-smarter-than-you attitude and spread it somewhere else. We are interested in actually understanding things here, not in playing games and acting superior to others. If you're not willing to actually explain yourself and your position, or to actually refute what Race has written, keep it to yourself. Quoting a bunch of scriptures with little cryptic asides is insulting. You haven't shown anything that refutes what has been written here.
Find the error in their argument hint (premise).
Find another forum to post on if you're going to continue playing games. We speak plainly here, not in cat-and-mouse riddles.
What's yer point?
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