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The Future and the Popes  
Catholic Planet ^ | September 2002 | Ronald L. Conte Jr.

Posted on 03/29/2003 4:45:31 AM PST by NYer

About the year A.D. 1139, Saint Malachy O'Morgair, Archbishop of Armagh, Ireland, wrote down a list of Popes. He listed 112 future Popes, each described by a phrase in Latin. [1] There has been increasing interest in this list among Roman Catholics, for two reasons. First, the descriptions of Popes #109 and #110 match the pontificates of Popes John Paul I and John Paul II to a tee. Second, there are only two more Popes on the list, and the last Pope on the list is given a long apocalyptic description, instead of a quaint and cryptic phrase.

Pope #109 on St. Malachy's list is given the phrase: “From the Half of the Moon.” [2] Pope John Paul I was elected on August 26 of 1978, when the moon was in its last quarter (i.e. half the moon was visible in the sky). He died on September 28, when the moon was again in its last quarter. [3] The length of his Pontificate was only 33 days, a little more than the length of one lunar cycle. St. Malachy's prophecy matches John Paul I's Pontificate well.

Pope #110 on St. Malachy's list is given the phrase: “From the Labor of the Sun.” [4] What kind of labor does the sun do? The sun's work is to travel around the earth, so to speak. (Yes, I know the earth revolves around the sun.) The sun constantly travels around the world. And so does Pope John Paul II. He is the most traveled Pope in history. His Pontificate is marked by his constant travels around the world. St. Malachy's phrase fits John Paul II's Pontificate precisely.

Pope #111 on St. Malachy's list is given the phrase: “From the Glory of the Olive.” This prophetic phrase has several meanings which correctly apply to this Pope.

a. What is the glory of the olive? The olive branch is a well-known symbol of peace. The glory of the olive is peace. The next Pope after John Paul II will be a man of great peace. Peace will be his banner, peace will be his work, peace will be his goal. He will seek peace among individuals, among nations, among Catholics, between Catholics and other Christians, and between Catholics and adherents of other religions. The next Pope after John Paul II will have a Pontificate distinguished for seeking Peace around the world. He is called the Pope of Peace.

I do not know which man will be elected as Pope after John Paul II. St. Malachy's prophecy about John Paul II only fit his Pontificate. Before being elected Pope, Karol Wojtyla did not distinguish himself by traveling constantly. The next Pope after John Paul II may not have distinguished himself yet in works of peace-making. Or, he may have distinguished himself in peace-making in God's eyes, but not yet in the eyes of the world.

b. Some say that this prediction of St. Malachy, “From the Glory of the Olive,” refers to the Order of St. Benedict, who are sometimes called 'Olivetans.' This is true. But it does not mean that this Pope will come from the Order of St. Benedict, but rather that he will take the name of Benedict and live in imitation of him.

c. He will take the name Pope Benedict XVI, in imitation also of Pope Benedict XV. Just as Pope Benedict XV was an emissary of peace, so will Pope Benedict XVI be an emissary of peace. Just as Pope Benedict sought peace and spoke of peace and wrote papal documents seeking peace, so will Pope Benedict XVI do also. Just as Pope Benedict XV failed to achieve peace in the world, so will Pope Benedict XVI fail to achieve peace in the world. Just as the Pontificate of Benedict XV began prior to World War I, so will the Pontificate of Benedict XVI occur prior to World War III. After the Pontificate of Benedict XVI, the Arab nations will invade and conquer Europe and much of Africa.

Pope #112 on St. Malachy's list is given this description: “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there shall reign Peter the Roman who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the terrible judge will judge the people.” [6]

Why is he called Peter the Roman? The descriptions given for John Paul I and II were about their Pontificates, not about their lives before they were elected Pope. Will Peter the Roman be someone born in Rome or who grew up in Rome or who has spent most of his vocation in Rome? Perhaps. But I think it is more likely that the expression “Peter the Roman” refers to his Pontificate.

Perhaps he will take the name Peter: Pope Peter II. No Pope has chosen the name Peter since Christ gave that name to Simon bar-Jonah, who became Saint Peter, leader of the Apostles and of the Church. The choice of the name Peter by this modern Pope would reaffirm that the Pope is the Successor of Peter. On the other hand, he might not actually take the name “Peter.” It could be that “Peter the Roman” is merely an expression describing his Pontificate.

As a descriptive expression, “Peter the Roman” indicates that this Pope reaffirms the authority of the Pope over the Church, authority based on his place as a Successor of Peter. The expression also indicates that this Pope will reaffirm Rome as the proper seat of authority in the Church and require the faithful to acknowledge “the holy, Catholic, and apostolic Roman Church as the mother and teacher of all churches.” [7] His predecessor, the Pope of Peace, will emphasize the good in other faiths and the unity among all peoples. But Peter the Roman will emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Faith and the Roman Catholic Church above all other religions and denominations, and its authority over all Christians and all peoples of the world.

Some commentators say that Peter the Roman will be the last Pope ever and that the world will end during his Pontificate. No, not so! Peter the Roman is merely the last Pope on this list, not the last Pope ever. The time of Peter the Roman's Pontificate is described in Apocalyptic terms because His Pontificate will see the beginning of the events described in the Apocalypse (the Book of Revelation). But the events described in that last book of the Bible unfold over many years (more than 400 years).

The seven-hilled city is the city of Rome, which not only has seven hills, but also is divided into seven Roman Catholic dioceses. St. Malachy is predicting that the city of Rome will be destroyed during the Pontificate of the second Pope after John Paul II, the Pope called Peter the Roman. My own interpretation of the Bible places the destruction of Rome and Vatican City in July of A.D. 2013. [8]

My understanding is that Pope Benedict XVI, the Pope of Peace, will be elected sometime during 2003. His reign will be short. Peter the Roman will reign at the time that the events of the Book of Revelation begin, about the time of the end of this decade (the first decade of the 21st century). Therefore, the next Pope (after John Paul II) will die before the end of the same decade in which he is elected.

The next Pope after John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, will seek to make peace in the world, but he will not succeed. After his reign ends, during the reign of Peter the Roman, there will begin World War III. During this war, the Arab nations together will attack, invade, conquer, and occupy Europe and large portions of Africa. They will also attack, but neither invade nor conquer, the United States of America. This war begins in 2010 or 2011. (It is preceded by a small war among the Arab nations.)

One of these two Popes, either Pope Benedict XVI or Peter the Roman, will suggest that three places of worship be built in Jerusalem: for Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, but it doesn't happen. In chapter one of my book The Bible and the Future of the World, in the section called “The Three Booths of the Transfiguration,” I say that it would probably be Peter the Roman who suggests the Three Booths (or three places for the three religions), but it could be the Pope just before him. Now I have changed my mind on that point. I now think that it will most probably be the Pope of Peace, Pope Benedict XVI, who will make this suggestion. This act seems to fit the Pontificate of the Pope of Peace more than that of Peter the Roman (because this is a type of peace-making between religions).

Pope Benedict XVI will be like Saint Benedict, who lived in the fifth and sixth centuries. He will be a man dedicated to Peace and holiness. But this Pope will also be like Saint Benedict the Black, il moro santo, who lived in the sixteenth century. I am not certain, but I think that Pope Benedict XVI will be black.

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To: NYer

Popes are chosen often in response to the challenges the church and society face, in addiction to the Curia politics. Pope Pius XII was in no doubt made Pope because of his expertise in foreign affairs during a time of extreme foreign turmoil(WW II). Pope John Paul II was in part chosen because of his resistence to Communists, and the fact his papacy would give opressed Catholics in Communist Countries a sign of hope.

What is the biggest challenge the church faces today? It is not really in the 3rd world, but in the now secularised West, and how faith has collapsed especially in Europe. What is needed is a Pope who can restore faith in Europe, that is the biggest challenge the faith faces today by far. That said, I think this means somone else than Cdl Arinze, or most any Cardinal from a 3rd world country, because lets face it, if a POpe from a 3rd world country brings up morals, the Europeans will simpily dismiss him as being a uninformed man from the 3rd world. It is crisis mode all over the West now, even the more progressive Cardinals are very concerned.
41 posted on 03/30/2003 2:06:32 AM PST by JNB
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Such insight. Care to be a Cardinalette?
42 posted on 03/30/2003 4:35:08 AM PST by drstevej
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To: JNB; Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
It is crisis mode all over the West now, even the more progressive Cardinals are very concerned.

A symposium was held yesterday at Siena College, attended by Bishop (you don't get more liberal than this) Hubbard, Archbishop Harry Flynn - Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Rev. John Cozzens and hundreds of area catholics. I would post the story but the Times Union, surprisingly, did not have a link at their web site.

Bishop Hubbard told those in attendance that financial claims from victims of clergy sexual abuse could threaten the church's ability to serve others in need and said the diocese has a responsibility to - if necessary - fight them in court. Such gaul! Rev. Cozzens drew a standing ovation when he said: "We've started to feel more like a corporation than a church."

In his 25 years as bishop, Hubbard has damaged this diocese with his liberal endorsements of such changes as "wreckovated" churches, ripping out kneelers (he now has asked those churches to install new ones), liturgical dancing, and manning his parishes with gay priests. When attending mass on Sunday, I now find myself checking to determine if the norms established by the GIRM are being respected. We have no fixed crucifix in our church. Rather, there is a life sized statue of the Risen Christ on the back wall. That means, the processional cross becomes the "fixed cross" during the mass. I have lost count of the number of times they neglected to carry it up to the altar.

You make an excellent point regarding the crisis mode in the West, however, I am not convinced that the cardinals are concerned. Some, perhaps, but others stick to their liberal agenda. Last week, a neighboring parish was subjected to an anti-war, president bashing "homily" by the pastor. Many walked out. Hubbard's only concern is his pastoral commitment to the poor. He totally neglects the majority of catholics in his diocese who are now "poor" in faith, as a result of the abuse he has allowed to pervade this diocese.

43 posted on 03/30/2003 6:34:02 AM PST by NYer (God Bless America. Please pray for our troops!)
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To: drstevej
It would take a lot to persuade me to come out of retirement but, if I can also help Polycarp with his job, it sounds like a plan.
44 posted on 03/30/2003 7:03:36 AM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! There are conservatives but the term paleoconservative is a lie!)
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To: drstevej
I got more great great ideas. Care to give me any other suggestions?

Nyer in charge of re-writing "Built of Living Stones"

Me and sandyeggo and Salvation in charge of RCIA and CCD materials

Siobhan and Maeve in charge of promoting the use of Latin

Ya gotta put us wimin in there somewhere

45 posted on 03/30/2003 8:47:52 AM PST by american colleen
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To: drstevej
Why yeeeeeeessss, I would love to be a Cardinalette! I want to chair the building aesthetics committee.
46 posted on 03/30/2003 10:47:26 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: american colleen
You also will have the parish schools...use

http://www.love2learn.net

to get back to basics of Catholic education
47 posted on 03/30/2003 11:41:09 AM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: NYer
This is interesting...but in the end we can destroy anyone who messes with us and our tech gets more advance.
48 posted on 03/30/2003 11:44:10 AM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
***I would love to be a Cardinalette!***

Why limit yourself? Go for the top!
POPE JOAN II!
49 posted on 03/30/2003 12:44:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
lol....you're right. I, I'm just gonna bust right through that glass ceiling!
50 posted on 03/30/2003 12:50:21 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Domestic Church
Sorry DM... I quickly mentally (and my brain doesn't hold much) went through the list of Catholic Chicks here and left you out unintentionally. Since we aren't democratic, you can't be voted to the ministry on a whim, but I did the pink smoke thing alerting everyone that you've been elected to the teaching ministry.

I bookmarked your link - it's great! Thanks!

51 posted on 03/30/2003 12:53:04 PM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
I don't want to be running anything but pick a Catholic HSer for the parochial system. There is plenty of good stuff to fix the parochial system, not to mention all the republished books.
52 posted on 03/30/2003 1:08:07 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG)
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To: drstevej
Better music please. If nothing else, can we go back to chant?
53 posted on 03/30/2003 1:15:56 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Domestic Church
I don't want to be running anything either! I'm more the type that hauls all those great republished books, drags the votives back where they belong and hoists all the beautiful statues out of the dark and puts them where I'm directed to put them.

I like manual labor.

54 posted on 03/30/2003 1:27:52 PM PST by american colleen (Me ineptum.)
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To: All
Here's a recap:

Pope Peil (formerly drstevej)

New Cardinals:

New Cardinalettes:

Special Papal Assistants:


 

55 posted on 03/30/2003 1:36:02 PM PST by drstevej (Additional suggestions ????)
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To: american colleen
Don't forget to dust off the organs. It just isn't church, IMO, without one.
56 posted on 03/30/2003 1:36:14 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Domestic Church; american colleen
to get back to basics of Catholic education

Thanks for the link ... looks like a wonderful resource!

Tomorrow night is the last time I will be with my confirmandi. The DRE, suggesting that we spend some time discussing the Sacrament of Reconciliation (they MUST go to confession on Tuesday), gave me a copy of the book they use with the 4th graders. So, I opened to the first page and begin to read .....

As you prepare for your child's First Confession it's important to look at these different images of Confession and also to look at the truth about the sacrament of Reconciliation.

You and your partner will have your own personal impressions ......

My jaw dropped when I read that sentence. I was planning to assigne two commandments to each group of 4 and have them examine their consciences against them. In perusing the church's book, I came across this paragraph on Examination of Conscience.

In the light of Christ's life we can then turn to our own life. It's not ver helpful to try to remember everything - some people spend hours before they go to confession trying to recall every fault and failing. Or sometimes we spend ages trying to think of the best was of expressing our sins so that we we don't appear worse than we really are. God isn't interested in how good a memory we have or how many failings we can discover in ourselves. He's interested only in restoring us, in being reconciled with us in love and healing.

Puhlease!!!! Padre Pio had the gift of reading men's souls and held nothing back. I hate this diocese!

Please help me through this week. It will be a painful once since my daughter won't be there amongst the candidates. Each time I think about it, I start crying. Not only is it patently absurd to postpone Confirmation to the age of 17, my pastor never even picked up the phone to give her a call after I apprised him of her decision. He saw how upset I was .... nada! I hate this diocese.

57 posted on 03/30/2003 1:38:46 PM PST by NYer (God Bless America. Please pray for our troops!)
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To: NYer
Please help me through this week. It will be a painful once since my daughter won't be there amongst the candidates. Each time I think about it, I start crying. Not only is it patently absurd to postpone Confirmation to the age of 17, my pastor never even picked up the phone to give her a call after I apprised him of her decision. He saw how upset I was .... nada! I hate this diocese.

Of course, you have my prayers, but I feel compelled to tell you that as one who made Confirmation at 17 (due to a series of moves), it was the best thing that I could have done. The 12 &13 year olds in the class were clueless. I am one who believes that since marriage is not allowed until 18, there is no reason to Confirm so young. And the fact that your daughter wants mote time to think about it is a good sign. This means she takes it seriously.
58 posted on 03/30/2003 1:44:49 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: NYer
NYer. My rosary tonight will be for you and your daughter. Please know that I too rejected the Church at your daughter's age and never made my Confirmation until I was 26 - after I was married. You have done your best and surrounded her with all that she needs to know the Truth. You have done your job. The rest is up to Him.

Your diocese is appalling. I can't believe they still have those kids making their confession in 4th grade - I thought that had been stopped everywhere. And partners?!?! --- OMG. That is just bull bleep. But we don't want to offend, do we???

59 posted on 03/30/2003 1:48:09 PM PST by american colleen
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