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The Story of Michael
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Posted on 03/12/2003 3:45:32 PM PST by Land of the Irish

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1 posted on 03/12/2003 3:45:32 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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2 posted on 03/12/2003 3:53:46 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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3 posted on 03/12/2003 3:56:03 PM PST by Desdemona
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To: Land of the Irish
Too often we ignore the powerful resource of St. Michael and our own guardian angels. Sometimes we have to be touched like this and like doubting Thomas before we fully grasp.

After the Mass: Pardon any typos

The wording in the vernacular varies a bit depending on the source.

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, o' Prince of the Heavenly Host by the power of God cast into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls.

The wording in Latin is constant: Pardon the lack of Latin accent marks.

Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio; contra nequitiam et insidias diaboli esto praesidium. Imperet illi Deus, supplices deprecamur; tuque, Princeps militiae coelestis, Satanam aliosque spiritus malignos, qui ad perditionenm animarum pervagantur in mundo, divina virtute in infernum detrude. Amen.
4 posted on 03/12/2003 5:47:10 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Cor Jesu sacratissimum, Miserere nobis)
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To: 8mmMauser
Is there any third-party corroboration of this?
5 posted on 03/12/2003 7:27:02 PM PST by dsc
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Sure,

St. Joseph Daily Missal dated 1959 De Permissu Superiorum Imprimatur Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York. New Edition 1961. Published as "The official prayers for the celebration of daily Mass."

These missals can be found readily in used book stores or at least that was the case for us.

I prefer the Latin because it is exact, but most use the vernacular and the priest usually does at end of Mass. However, we use "Thou" instead of "you". The missal uses "you".

In this Missal, it is page 702-703.

You can find many further references to the extended versions with a quick search on Pope Leo XIII.
6 posted on 03/12/2003 7:39:43 PM PST by 8mmMauser
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To: Land of the Irish; fabian
Thanks, I love it...gave me chills.
7 posted on 03/13/2003 12:25:02 AM PST by abigail2
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To: 8mmMauser
I apologize for lack of clarity. I have memorized the prayer in Latin and often pray it, just as you have given it here.

I meant to ask if there was 3rd party corroboration of the events in Korea--for instance, someone who saw the enemy soldiers killed with sword strokes, the sgt. that Michael (mortal) spoke to, etc.
8 posted on 03/13/2003 12:55:15 AM PST by dsc
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To: Land of the Irish
Nice story and all but where in my NT Bible can I find a commandment or an example of someone praying to a dead person?

Jesus gave us an example of prayer and it wasn't to Micheal or anyone else for that matter.

I think we are supposed to pray to God.

Nice story. Thanks for posting.
9 posted on 03/13/2003 1:16:24 AM PST by PFKEY
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We Catholics believe a hierarchy exists within the Heavenly Family. We believe Saints and at least some "good" people have at least made it to Heaven. We pray for them to intercede for us, do not pray TO them. I pray for Our Lady, Mary to petition Her Son for graces.

And I have no problem whatsoever, asking my guardian angel, and St. Michael for help. I do not consider these angels dead.

Matter of fact, those of us who have actually had events like them happen, and it is far more often that you may think, have no problem whatsoever realizing their existence and role.

I guess it was yesterday or the day before, when Fox News gave the incredible story of a terrible car accident, and a little (two year old) tyke made it out of the wreck alive and made it across the divided highway to safety, The child said it was guided, plain and simple, the honest innocence at its purest.

I, too, think we are supposed to pray to God, but I ask those in Heaven to pray for me, too.

Probably most of us doubt, but when it happens to us, the doubt disappears in a flash.

I do not know which NT version of Bible you use, but I prefer the oldest and purest I know, the Douay Rheims version of the Latin Vulgate. Hard to top that.
10 posted on 03/13/2003 3:53:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Dominus vobiscum)
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To: dsc
I have no idea as this is the first time I ever heard the story.

I have no doubt it happened just as it was explained.

BTW I say the prayer only in Latin at home and also the Angelus as often as I can. Especially now it is important. Twelve, six o'clock, and twelve.
11 posted on 03/13/2003 3:57:40 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Dominus vobiscum)
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To: Land of the Irish
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of Battle; Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl through the world, seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen
12 posted on 03/13/2003 6:05:44 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Land of the Irish
Great post!
13 posted on 03/13/2003 6:08:14 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Could some Latin scholar teach me why "defende nos in proelio" becomes "defend is in the day of Battle," instead of just "defend us in battle"?

I seem to need St. Michael's assistance every day of my life.
14 posted on 03/13/2003 5:43:34 PM PST by dsc
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Matthew 6:9  ¶After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10  Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11  Give us this day our daily bread.

12  And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13  And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14  For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15  But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
15 posted on 03/13/2003 10:17:15 PM PST by Jael
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To: dsc
That is an amazing and hopeful story.
16 posted on 03/13/2003 10:37:31 PM PST by fabian
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To: Salvation
Okay, since I didn't get any takers, I'm just going to say that I think it was mistranslated that way to subtly degrade the prayer.

Instead of "defend us in battle," implying the battle that rages each and every day, we're given "defend us in (some far-off future) day of battle."

Subtle, but important, I think.
17 posted on 03/16/2003 6:18:44 PM PST by dsc
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I have always said the prayer "defend us in battle" and did not notice the difference until you pointed it out. Wouldn't the correct translation be "defend us in battle" rather than " on the day of battle"?

Salvation
18 posted on 03/16/2003 11:16:33 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
I'm not a Latin scholar, so I hesitate to make any pronouncements, but I think it would.

I was just reacting to the English translation given above.
19 posted on 03/16/2003 11:25:00 PM PST by dsc
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Ping. Is there anyone who knows where to find the actual prayer referred to in the article?
20 posted on 05/02/2003 8:30:35 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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