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To: Land of the Irish
Nice story and all but where in my NT Bible can I find a commandment or an example of someone praying to a dead person?

Jesus gave us an example of prayer and it wasn't to Micheal or anyone else for that matter.

I think we are supposed to pray to God.

Nice story. Thanks for posting.
9 posted on 03/13/2003 1:16:24 AM PST by PFKEY
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To: PFKEY
We Catholics believe a hierarchy exists within the Heavenly Family. We believe Saints and at least some "good" people have at least made it to Heaven. We pray for them to intercede for us, do not pray TO them. I pray for Our Lady, Mary to petition Her Son for graces.

And I have no problem whatsoever, asking my guardian angel, and St. Michael for help. I do not consider these angels dead.

Matter of fact, those of us who have actually had events like them happen, and it is far more often that you may think, have no problem whatsoever realizing their existence and role.

I guess it was yesterday or the day before, when Fox News gave the incredible story of a terrible car accident, and a little (two year old) tyke made it out of the wreck alive and made it across the divided highway to safety, The child said it was guided, plain and simple, the honest innocence at its purest.

I, too, think we are supposed to pray to God, but I ask those in Heaven to pray for me, too.

Probably most of us doubt, but when it happens to us, the doubt disappears in a flash.

I do not know which NT version of Bible you use, but I prefer the oldest and purest I know, the Douay Rheims version of the Latin Vulgate. Hard to top that.
10 posted on 03/13/2003 3:53:54 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Dominus vobiscum)
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To: PFKEY
We do pray to God.

And God appoints the saints and angels to continue praying for us. If your Mom prayed for you while on earth, and if your Mom is alive in heaven -- really alive -- what makes you think she would stop praying for you?????

24 posted on 05/05/2003 6:27:23 AM PDT by RockBassCreek
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To: PFKEY; 8mmMauser
I don't believe that the Saints and angels just sit up in Heaven on a cloud, playing a harp. God has rewarded their faithful service to Him by allowing them to intercede for us. It's not that the Creator is too busy to listen to our prayers - it's a privilege for those in His heavenly court.

Have you ever asked someone to pray for you in a time of need? Why not ask someone you know that is in the presence of God Himself? They can hear you.

30 posted on 09/29/2003 6:59:29 PM PDT by Possenti
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To: PFKEY
Nice story and all but where in my NT Bible can I find a commandment or an example of someone praying to a dead person?

2 Maccabees 12

42 7 Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.
43 He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
44 for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
45 But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
46 Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

Maccabees is one of the seven deuterocanonical books that Luther removed from the Bible (by what authority?) because he didn't like this passage.

31 posted on 09/30/2003 4:51:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: PFKEY

+J.M.J+

No prayers to angels in the Bible, huh?

"Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Ps 103:20-21)

"Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts." (Psalm 148:1-2)

(and, of course, from the Deuterocanonical portion of Daniel: "O ye angels of the Lord, bless the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever" - Daniel 3:58)

Seems that it's okay to address the angels during prayer.

In Jesu et Maria,


43 posted on 10/25/2006 7:03:57 PM PDT by mysticalrose7
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To: PFKEY
Nice story and all but where in my NT Bible can I find a commandment or an example of someone praying to a person?

(a) There are no % persons" in heaven.

(b) St. Michael is not now, and never was, a human being, so he most certainly isn't % ," in any sense of the word you care to use.

44 posted on 10/25/2006 7:11:42 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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