Posted on 01/30/2003 10:32:02 AM PST by Land of the Irish
The funny thing is that this is what the Soviets kept saying as their economy kept collapsing: "as soon as we can fully implement communism, this will be the land of milk and honey." We all know what happened there...
The Neo-Caths have been feeding this line almost as long as the Soviets did: "our new system is the absolute best, unfortunately it is not implemented fully, so please disregard all negative evidence all around you. As soon as we fully implement it, the negatives you see around you that the implementation process produced will disappear."
This is kind of like an alcoholic drinking to get sober.
Last time I checked, Pope John XXIII brought about Vatican II, not the Holy Spirit.And last time I checked, Constantine brought about Nicea. So what?
That is a very important -- critical -- part.
Vatican II is NOT an infallible Council. Someday it will be overturned, and the decay will begin to subside.
"He who considers these things is entitled to fear that such a perversion of minds might represent the beginning of those evils foretold for the end of time, forming as it were, their stepping stone on to the earth, and that the Son of Perdition, of whom the Apostle speaks, might already be coming amongst us. For religion is being attacked with the greatest boldness and vigour, the dogmas of the Faith are being battered, and no effort is spared to tear asunder man's link with the divine. Moreover – and this is what the same Apostle tells us is typical of Antichrist – man in his unspeakable temerity is usurping the place of the Creator, and placing himself above all that bears the name of God. Powerless to extinguish within himself entirely the concept of God, he yet shakes off the yoke of His majesty and dedicates to himself a temple in the form of the visible world, where he receives the homage of his own kind...
"That is why all our efforts must be directed towards bringing mankind back under the rule of Christ. To achieve the result of Our hopes, it is vital to spare no efforts in uprooting entirely this monstrous iniquity peculiar to the times we live in, which leads man to set himself up in place of God." (E Supremi Apostolatus, 4 October 1903)
Pope Paul VI - a blasphemous parody of the HYMN TO CHRIST THE KING OF THE AGES (Angelus, 7 February 1971):
"Honour to Man!
"Honour to his thought; honour to his scientific knowledge;
"Honour to his technical skill; honour to his work;
"Honour to human endurance;
"Honour to that combination of scientific activity and organisation by which man, unlike the other animals, can invest his spirit and his manual dexterity with instruments of conquest;
"HONOUR TO MAN, KING OF THE EARTH, AND TODAY PRINCE OF THE HEAVENS!"...
Pope Paul VI:
"Man is both giant and divine, in his origin and his destiny. Honour, therefore, to man, honour to his dignity, to his spirit, to his life." (13 July 1969)
Oh yeah...then we'll get the "springtime" we've been promised for forty years. I am sure it is just around the corner...
The recent series on EWTN-" the documents of VATICAN II ", show the huge gulf between what was actually published, and what was done by the liberal clergy to change the Church in their image.
No more 1st Confession before 1st Communion in their churches ( even though it is still required ), "centering prayer meetings", butt-dropping Baptisms instead of water being poured over the head, jokes told by the Priest during Mass- none of this was from VAT II.
The horrific desecration of the church buildings themselves came from the liberals wanting to follow a ART & Architecture book that was never approved by the Church Bishops ( the removal of the Tabernacle from the Sanctuary into a small room, often hidden from sight, the removal of kneelers, etc ) and the singing of "We are god" songs instead of the proper "You are God" hymns.
Sure there is a lot to like about the older Tridentine Mass, but Vat II never meant to CHANGE the MASS itself, onnly the language used in it. Most people realize that the holding hands part is more of a "we are god" new age movement and a large distraction from the most important part of the Mass-the Consecration. But as long as there are "Liturgists" running the ops, and defrocked nuns and former priests in the Church councils running the Parishes-they above all do not want to know the real documents of VAT II.
It's amazing how many similarities there are. And didn't Mary tell the children at Fatima, "Russia will spread her errors throughout the world."? It took over 70 years for the Russian communists to fall. Hopefully the revolution in the Church will not last any longer.
"Traditionalism" is so obsessed with this, they have completely abandoned the culture wars to the pagan hoards. I rarely if ever see the usual schismatic suspects engaging the culture of death advocates on this Forum, preferring instead to remain here on their feverish high fiving schismatic threads.
I've given you the benefit of the doubt far too long. Your efforts give aid and comfort to the enemy, if for no other reason that your obsessions take you away from real apostolic endeavors.
Take me off your ping list.
"Traditionalism" is so obsessed with this, they have completely abandoned the culture wars to the pagan hoards. I rarely if ever see the usual schismatic suspects engaging the culture of death advocates on this Forum, preferring instead to remain here on their feverish high fiving schismatic threads.
Navel-gazing is a popular sport among ultra-trads and schismatics.
It's all about ME, after all. They can't be bothered with the rabble outside their doors.
He's bought the John Birch Society line that the Masons are behind the destruction of the liturgy.
Young people like him are regularly infected with conspiracy theories.
His "knowledge" of the pre-Vatican II Church is limited to what he reads in The Remnant and Latin Mass Magazine.
He just as well be watching Leave it to Beaver.
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