[Zviadist]

You leave out the important second point of the sentence: "The only thing the Holy Spirit did was make sure that nothing at Vatican II would be endowed with the note of infallibility. And this job He did very well!"

That is a very important -- critical -- part.

Vatican II is NOT an infallible Council. Someday it will be overturned, and the decay will begin to subside.

[eastsider]

Mario Derksen has no more authority to declare which councils are guided by the Holy Spirit than he has to determine the which scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[Desdemona]

Vatican II is NOT an infallible Council. Someday it will be overturned, and the decay will begin to subside.

Overturned? Or a combination of finished and correctly interpreted? Once the worst of the liberals are out of the picture and the priesthood is built back up with orthodox young men, there shouldn't be anymore hijacking.

[Codie]

Do you factor the "Holy Spirit" into any of this?

[Francisco]

<St Pius X in his first Encyclical which served also as the blueprint of his pontificate:

     "He who considers these things is entitled to fear that such a perversion of minds might represent the beginning of those evils foretold for the end of time, forming as it were, their stepping stone on to the earth, and that the Son of Perdition, of whom the Apostle speaks, might already be coming amongst us. For religion is being attacked with the greatest boldness and vigour, the dogmas of the Faith are being battered, and no effort is spared to tear asunder man's link with the divine. Moreover – and this is what the same Apostle tells us is typical of Antichrist – man in his unspeakable temerity is usurping the place of the Creator, and placing himself above all that bears the name of God. Powerless to extinguish within himself entirely the concept of God, he yet shakes off the yoke of His majesty and dedicates to himself a temple in the form of the visible world, where he receives the homage of his own kind...

     "That is why all our efforts must be directed towards bringing mankind back under the rule of Christ. To achieve the result of Our hopes, it is vital to spare no efforts in uprooting entirely this monstrous iniquity peculiar to the times we live in, which leads man to set himself up in place of God." (E Supremi Apostolatus, 4 October 1903)

Pope Paul VI - a blasphemous parody of the HYMN TO CHRIST THE KING OF THE AGES (Angelus, 7 February 1971):

"Honour to Man!

"Honour to his thought; honour to his scientific knowledge;

"Honour to his technical skill; honour to his work;

"Honour to human endurance;

"Honour to that combination of scientific activity and organisation by which man, unlike the other animals, can invest his spirit and his manual dexterity with instruments of conquest;

"HONOUR TO MAN, KING OF THE EARTH, AND TODAY PRINCE OF THE HEAVENS!"...

     Pope Paul VI:

     "Man is both giant and divine, in his origin and his destiny. Honour, therefore, to man, honour to his dignity, to his spirit, to his life." (13 July 1969)