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Where the hell are you guys on all the culture wars threads and general "Catholicism versus the world" apologetics threads?

"Traditionalism" is so obsessed with this, they have completely abandoned the culture wars to the pagan hoards. I rarely if ever see the usual schismatic suspects engaging the culture of death advocates on this Forum, preferring instead to remain here on their feverish high fiving schismatic threads.

I've given you the benefit of the doubt far too long. Your efforts give aid and comfort to the enemy, if for no other reason that your obsessions take you away from real apostolic endeavors.

Take me off your ping list.

And that goes for their damned cat, too..... 8~0

This deserves to be highlighted, and repeated:

"Traditionalism" is so obsessed with this, they have completely abandoned the culture wars to the pagan hoards. I rarely if ever see the usual schismatic suspects engaging the culture of death advocates on this Forum, preferring instead to remain here on their feverish high fiving schismatic threads.

Navel-gazing is a popular sport among ultra-trads and schismatics.

It's all about ME, after all. They can't be bothered with the rabble outside their doors.

"I've given you the benefit of the doubt far too long. Your efforts give aid and comfort to the enemy, if for no other reason that your obsessions take you away from real apostolic endeavors."

You are too full of yourself. Why should we care what you think of us? You say we give aid and comfort "to the enemy". But YOU are the enemy--and others docile like yourself who follow a new and false paradigm of Catholicism--and we give you no comfort at all. It is you who support the systematic destruction of the Old Faith by refusing to admit the horrific wrong that has been done to our ancient Church and its Tradition. What you do instead is condemn those who dare to speak up against its destruction.

Dear Polycarp,

What an excellent post!

Here are some other things posters may consider doing:

- Be involved in your parish. Your parish in communion with the local ordinary, and the Bishop of Rome. The one filled to the rafters with sinners, with those not terribly serious about their faith, with those not terribly knowledgeable about their faith. Your parishes desperately need you. It isn't that all the Catholics in our churches wish to be less than fully-Catholic, it is that they often are given insufficient guidance on how to be Catholic. Be the salt of your parish, the light, not hidden under the bushel basket, the leaven in the loaf.

- Fight the heretics that really are trying to take over our Holy Catholic Church, a la NYer, who successfully faced down some "liturgists" in her own parish and diocese;

- Become a beacon of orthodoxy by becoming a permanent deacon, a la our very own ThomasMore;

- Go to the Annual March for Life in Washington, if you can at all make it;

- Be an effective on-line apologist, fighting falsehood and death at every turn, a la Polycarp

- Take leadership roles in your parish, so that the Catholic truth that you know can be a light to others:

serve on the (ugh) liturgy committee,
serve on the (ugh) Parish Council,
teach Bible study (just go in well-armed),
teach CCD,
join your local Knights of Columbus Council,
and be the leaven of the loaf

And accept that you will have some victories and some defeats. Accept your victories, grateful to God for His grace. Accept your defeats gratefully acknowledging that God allows you to share His Cross.

And pray without ceasing.

sitetest

Where the hell are you guys on all the culture wars threads and general "Catholicism versus the world" apologetics threads?

Thanks for making an exception for me (on the other thread). But please remember that the heresy of "Americanism" that was specifically condemned by Pope Leo XIII was to prefer activism to contemplation.

All the activity in the world, no matter how good the intentions, will be worthless and even counter-productive if we do not first have a solidly-established spiritual life. First we must be living a life of grace. That means NO mortal sins. No contraception, no pornography, no mastubation, etc. If any of these still have any hold on our hearts, then we are only fooling ourselves if we think we should be involved in external activity. "Physician heal thyself" first.

Having obtained that bare minimum level, then we need a solid prayer life, true devotion to Christ crucified and His Sacred Heart, and a determined attempt to be fulfilling the will of God, not our own ideas. As you have frequently pointed out with your links to the wonderful booklet, "Surrender to the Divine Will," we can only be achieving something worthwhile if we are doing what God wants -- and that is almost never the same thing as what we want.

Even after meeting all of these requirements, we should still keep in mind that contemplation is higher than action. Contemplation must always come first. Rendering unto God His just due must always take priority. If at that point we believe that God is calling us to some activity, then we can attempt to undertake it with some confidence that it will not be counter-productive.

To use a metaphor, do you believe that it would be a good thing if Protestants got a lot more active trying to convert Catholics? Of course not -- they should discover the truth first before they chase around converting others. The same thing could be applied to many Catholics, including traditional Catholics as much as any others.

Where the hell are you guys on all the culture wars threads and general "Catholicism versus the world" apologetics threads?

All protestants profess that the Catholic Church fell into apostasy and that their church represents the true, lost faith. These "Traditionalists" are merely members of the newest protestant denomination.

Tsk.. tsk. You suffer through an equal if not superior amount of modern Church nonsense. You ought to suffer through the hyper-traditionalist nonsense with equal fortitude.

Believe me, I realize there is a surfeit of kooks among the Catholic traditionalists these days. I spent the better part of this past day with a childhood friend and current priest discussing this very issue. But unless you seek another Orthodox schism, washing your hands and walking away is not the answer.

Stay around. Let excesses beyond your energy pass without comment lest they drain you beyond your capacity. But please... STAY AROUND.

Where the hell are you guys on all the culture wars threads and general "Catholicism versus the world" apologetics threads?

The culture wars can only be waged to one clear end: the social kingship of Christ the King and triumph of the Church Militant.

Any ecumenical endeavours should be regarded as tactical alliances against greater enemies in the culture of death.

Sometimes that means tolerating liberal Catholics, liberal Protestants and Bob Jones University evangelicals. But even the Soviet Union and Iraq were once America's allies.

I don't know what to make of this. It appears that there are many who've devoted efforts to bashing the Vatican and traditional theology rather than to the faith itself. I personally think anyone who abandons traditional Catholic culture lacks faith, pride, and courage.