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Padre Pio: on Spirituality, Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Missae
The Angelus Magazine | May 1999 | Fr. Jean, OFM Cap

Posted on 01/12/2003 9:17:25 PM PST by Scupoli

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1 posted on 01/12/2003 9:17:25 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Land of the Irish; HDMZ; ultima ratio; Maximilian; Zviadist; Loyalist; Francisco; smevin; Grigeo; ..
Ping!

I was sent this link and I absolutely loved the story on Padre Pio. Just wanted to share it if you're interested.

2 posted on 01/12/2003 9:21:19 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Scupoli
Here is another article:

BLESSED PADRE PIO

Padre Pio da Pietrelcina, O.F.M. Cap. (May 25, 1887-September 23, 1968) was ordained priest (Capuchin) on August 10, 1910. He received visible stigmata on September 20, 1918. The Vatican suspended him for a time and issued five decrees against him. From 1931 to 1933 he was not allowed to celebrate Mass publicly or to hear confessions. Pope Pius XI said that he had been "badly misinformed" about Padre Pio.

Just once Padre Pio celebrated a "Missa Normativa," or interim Mass, and never did so again, begging to be dispensed. He never said Mass in Italian or facing the people. Pope Paul VI's Novus Ordo Missae of 1969 was introduced more than a year after Padre Pio had died.

"Even before the end of the Council, in February 1965, someone announced to him that soon he would have to celebrate the Mass according to a new rite, ad experimentum, in the vernacular, which had been devised by a conciliar liturgical commission in order to respond to the aspirations of modern man. Immediately, even before seeing the text, he wrote to Paul VI to ask him to be dispensed from the liturgical experiment, and to be able to continue to celebrate the Mass of St. Pius V. When Cardinal Bacci came to see him in order to bring the authorization, Padre Pio let a complaint escape in the presence of the Pope's messenger: "For pity sake, end the Council quickly." (Rev. Fr. Jean, O.F.M., Cap., "Padre Pio," apud Angelus, May 1999, p. 31)

A video of Padre Pio that the Novus Ordo parishes loan out tries to make the last Mass he said before he died look like a Novus Ordo Mass facing the people. I've been told by a traditional priest that he, Padre Pio, was not strong enough to walk up to the altar, and so they put an altar (probably a table) down below the altar for him and then proceeded to make a video of his Mass going around him making it look like he was facing the people, as there were people on all sides. So they try to say he celebrated the Novus Ordo Mass for his final Mass, when in fact this statement is not true.

3 posted on 01/12/2003 9:24:30 PM PST by Scupoli
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Immediately, even before seeing the text, he wrote to Paul VI to ask him to be dispensed from the liturgical experiment, and to be able to continue to celebrate the Mass of Saint Pius V.

St. Padre Pio bump

4 posted on 01/12/2003 9:30:52 PM PST by Dajjal (really, that should be Po-Po-No-Tho, since we're now in "After")
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To: Scupoli
read later
5 posted on 01/12/2003 9:38:49 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Scupoli
Thamks for posting this.
6 posted on 01/13/2003 3:35:35 AM PST by ultima ratio
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To: Scupoli
Thanks for the inspiring post. I will print this out and read it to my children.
7 posted on 01/13/2003 9:58:27 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Scupoli
Padre Pio was even less obliging towards the prevailing social and political order, or rather, disorder (in 1966): "the confusion of ideas and the reign of thieves." He prophesied that the Communists would come to power, "by surprise, without firing a shot... It will happen overnight."

He even told Mgr. Piccinelli, that the red flag will fly over the Vatican, "but that will pass."

Thank you for posting this article...one of my patron Saints.
8 posted on 01/13/2003 4:00:22 PM PST by Domestic Church (O come O come Emmanuel!)
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He even told Mgr. Piccinelli, that the red flag will fly over the Vatican, "but that will pass."

Yes, I remember reading that. I didn't know what to make of it.

9 posted on 01/13/2003 4:16:45 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: Domestic Church
He prophesied that the Communists would come to power, "by surprise, without firing a shot... It will happen overnight."

Where did this happen? Twenty years after Pio's death, a Pope and a US President brought Soviet Communism to its knees.

10 posted on 01/13/2003 4:17:44 PM PST by sinkspur
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Yes, I remember reading that. I didn't know what to make of it.

Don't make anything of it. Saints are still human beings and prophecy is not given to all of them.

11 posted on 01/13/2003 4:19:08 PM PST by sinkspur
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Padre Pio was excused from the Novus Ordo because he was too old to learn how to say it - common with the older priests.

Nothing sinister!

12 posted on 01/13/2003 4:23:52 PM PST by american colleen
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He even told Mgr. Piccinelli, that the red flag will fly over the Vatican, "but that will pass."

Why assume Padre Pio meant the red flag of Communism?

From the Palestine Facts website:

The Meaning of the Arab Flag: RED

The Khawarij were the first Islamic group to emerge after the assassination of Caliph Uthman III, forming the first republican party in the early days of Islam. Their symbol was the red flag. Arab tribes who participated in the conquest of North Africa and Andalusia carried the red flag, which became the symbol of the Islamic rulers of Andalusia (756-1355). In modern times, red symbolizes the Ashrafs of the Hijaz and the Hashemites, descendants of the Prophet. Sharif Hussein designed the current flag as the flag of the Arab Revolt on June 1916. The Palestinian people raised it as the flag of the Arab National movement in 1917. In 1947, the Arab Ba'ath Party interpreted the flag as a symbol of the liberation and unity of the Arab nation. The Palestinian people readopted the flag at the Palestinian conference in Gaza in 1948. The flag was recognized by the Arab League as the flag of the Palestinian people. It was further endorsed by the PLO, the representative of the Palestinians, at the Palestinian conference in Jerusalem in 1964.

13 posted on 01/13/2003 4:27:24 PM PST by Loyalist (Keeper of the Schismatic Orc ping list. Freepmail me for details.)
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To: sinkspur
Do you believe in prophecy at all?
14 posted on 01/13/2003 4:27:40 PM PST by Codie
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Padre Pio was well known to have the gift of prophecy.
15 posted on 01/13/2003 4:30:16 PM PST by Scupoli
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To: american colleen
That is not what the articles say.

Just once Padre Pio celebrated a "Missa Normativa," or interim Mass, and never did so again, begging to be dispensed. He never said Mass in Italian or facing the people. Pope Paul VI's Novus Ordo Missae of 1969 was introduced more than a year after Padre Pio had died.

"Even before the end of the Council, in February 1965, someone announced to him that soon he would have to celebrate the Mass according to a new rite, ad experimentum, in the vernacular, which had been devised by a conciliar liturgical commission in order to respond to the aspirations of modern man. Immediately, even before seeing the text, he wrote to Paul VI to ask him to be dispensed from the liturgical experiment, and to be able to continue to celebrate the Mass of St. Pius V. When Cardinal Bacci came to see him in order to bring the authorization, Padre Pio let a complaint escape in the presence of the Pope's messenger: "For pity sake, end the Council quickly." (Rev. Fr. Jean, O.F.M., Cap., "Padre Pio," apud Angelus, May 1999, p. 31)

16 posted on 01/13/2003 4:33:26 PM PST by Scupoli
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Do you believe in prophecy at all?

Yes. But there are few prophets, in any age.

17 posted on 01/13/2003 4:34:07 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Scupoli
Padre Pio was well known to have the gift of prophecy.

When?

18 posted on 01/13/2003 4:35:30 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
So,which ones in this age do you deem worthy?
19 posted on 01/13/2003 4:38:10 PM PST by Codie
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Why assume Padre Pio meant the red flag of Communism?

From the Palestine Facts website:

The Meaning of the Arab Flag: RED

I had not thought of that. It is believed by many that after the Muslims completely take Jerusalem they will go for the Vatican next. They are overwhelming Italy now with their sheer numbers. Even a quick study of their theology (and history) tells us they plan to take over Christianity and the West must submit to Islam. What bigger symbol or seat of power than the Vatican?

20 posted on 01/13/2003 4:39:31 PM PST by Scupoli
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