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Fellow Catholics...
B-chan ^ | 2002.10.08 | B-chan

Posted on 10/08/2002 5:21:40 PM PDT by B-Chan

Fellow Catholics:

Are you tired of modernist impiety, post-Conciliar disrespect, and hippie embellishments at your parish Mass? Are you frustrated at the cavalier attitude that some so-called extraordinary ministers -- or even priests -- have towards the Most Precious Body and Blood of Our Lord? Are you nauseated by Communion-In-The-Round, liturgical Soul Train, Communion-in-the-Paw, and bare-bellied altar girls? Are you sick of being made to feel uncomfortable simply because you don't wish to join hands during the Pater Noster -- or because you are the only person in your parish who knows what "pater noster" means?

Are you tired of AmChyrch's constant drive to be "inclusive" instead of being Catholic? Do you pray for the day when you can go into a Catholic church that looks, feels, and smells like a Catholic Church is supposed to?

Well, your prayers have been answered. Thanks to His Holiness Pope John Paul II, you now have the option of worshipping Christ in a mass that really conforms to the rubrics, where altar chicks, New Age kum-bah-yah, rock and roll "praise orchestras" and liturgical dance are unknown -- a 100% Roman Catholic mass, Pope-approved, and the way it used to be, complete with incense, kneeling at an altar rail, Communion on the tongue, and a judicious and proper usage of Greek and Lain along with a beautiful, traditional English liturgy.

No, you don't have to go to the schismatics, integrists, or sedvecantists for this kind of mass. You only have to go as far as the Pastoral Provision for the Anglican Usage of the Roman Rite. Thanks to the Pastoral Provision graciously granted by His Holiness more than a decade ago, Anglican priests and congregations wishing to reconcile with Rome were received into the Roman Catholic Church and allowed to celebrate the mass according to the lovely and dignified Anglican Usage (corrected to conform to the norms of the Church). But these parishes aren't for ex-Anglicans only; any Catholic is welcome to worship at an Anglican Use parish. There, you'll find a traditional mass setting sans modern "improvements": kneelers, processions, approriate music performed on appropriate instruments, traditional vestments worn at the appropriate times, incense, shrines, lovely statuary, the works. You are welcome and encouraged to kneel during the Consecration, genuflect before the Body and Blood, receive Him in both Kinds on the tongue while kneeling reverently at an altar rail, and adore Him at regular and well-publicized Adorations. You can confess your sins in a real confessional , be absolved by a real priest of God who believes in sin and in penance, and say the rosary as often as you like. And all of this without worrying if your priest or bishop is a poofter, a Protestant, or a part of some fringey radical outfit.

Fellow Catholics, if you're tired of being herded to Communion like customers at a fast-food drive-thru window; if you're tired of loopy liturgy, hippie hagiography, and gum-snapping teenagers handling the Body and Blood of Our Lord like Triscuits and Kool-Aid at a middle-school mixer, then do something about it. Visit the Pastoral Provision website for more information or, better still, check out a Pastoral Provision parish in person.

I think you'll be glad you did.


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To: Dusty Rose
Yes, you are right. I live in a small town where you know everyone and there is only one Catholic parish here, so it is hard to leave. But it is difficult as my kids like the parish priest. We are, however, slowly pulling away and searching for an orthodox parish somewhere else. No luck so far unless I want to drive for an hour each way (which we do every other week). And I do like to attend Mass during the week when I can.
61 posted on 10/09/2002 9:20:34 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
I live in a small town where you know everyone and there is only one Catholic parish here,

That's definitely a problem. Just like a monopoly. I thought you were closer to Boston.
62 posted on 10/09/2002 9:30:47 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: american colleen
Perhaps you can switch allegiance to the other parish (financially and otherwise) to demonstrate support where your heart is. You could still attend daily Mass at the nearby parish. We switched to another parish when the kids began their confirmation program. We wanted them to experience committed Catholic community with solid teaching, not the drive-thru type Sunday Masses. We had to travel further, but it was so well worth it.The girls no longer complained about getting up for Mass. They see how enthused we are and no longer hear us continually complain about what was happening in the parish. We could not change what was happening in the former parish, and it became just a huge negative, so the move was one of the best things we ever did for the family.
63 posted on 10/09/2002 9:39:48 AM PDT by Dusty Rose
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To: american colleen
I pray for you and your family each day, Colleen. But I am changing my prayer to include a petition for a Damascus Road conversion for your pastor, or the replacement of your priest and Attila the Nun with a new committed real Catholic priest and staff.
64 posted on 10/09/2002 9:56:28 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Thank you, Siobhan, from the bottom of my heart.

I remember my priest every day during my rosary. Attila the Nun is beyond hope, I think. She's the driving force behind a lot of the "confusion of the sheep" in my parish. A soft spoken woman with an iron will. Reminds me of Eve holding out the forbidden fruit to Adam... and he took it without protest.

Up until this week, I thought maybe I could have some sort of affect on things, but with the parish mission stuff, my eyes were opened and I think it is fruitless for me to keep banging my head against the wall.

I was thinking however, that this nun is from the Diocese of Providence, RI and our parish is in the Archdiocese of Boston... I wonder if it is OK to "cross boundries" and be a pastoral associate out of your own area... I am going to try to find the answer to that question. The Archbishop Chaput coming to Boston rumor is still very much alive... I am hoping to God that it will be fulfilled. Cardinal Law is pretty much paralyzed right now.

65 posted on 10/09/2002 10:35:29 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Have you been to the Latin Mass at Holy Trinity in Boston? It's the real thing.
66 posted on 10/09/2002 1:07:45 PM PDT by Macrinus
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To: Macrinus
Yes, but thank you for mentioning it! Holy Trinity has a website with pictures, the history of the Latin Mass and some of the differences between the NO and the Latin.

I've attended with my kids, but it is a hour's ride each way and they don't like to go too often. So, I oblige because I don't want them to dislike Mass for any reason. The exposure to the Latin Mass is great for kids, I think - it allows them to see some of our rich Catholic tradition that has been passed down for centuries.

Too bad the parish, although beautiful, is in such a run-down area of Boston, plus, it is hard to find unless you know your way around.

67 posted on 10/09/2002 2:15:02 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: sockmonkey
I guess they are kinda the SSPX of the Episcopal Church.

That's interesting. From what my son has told me, they are very structured and very Catholic leaning.

We were even talking one day about how the conservative churches might unify one day. Interesting thoughts and provoking discussion.

68 posted on 10/09/2002 7:52:52 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
That's interesting. From what my son has told me, they are very structured and very Catholic leaning.

They (the Anglican Church in America-ACA) also say they have apostolic succession, and are part of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Rome would differ on that, and since the thirty-nine articles of faith, to which they adhere deny transubstantiation, and pronounce the repugnance of Romish, and Papish doctrines such as the Seven Sacraments, purgatory, and some other things, I can see why.

69 posted on 10/10/2002 3:04:43 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Desdemona
I like your note. I'm a boomer, and I'm not wild about what my generation did, either. It's reassuring that younger people see our mistakes.

Oh, by the way, just as an aside, "acid" is LSD. Lysergic acid diethylamide. Not trying to start a quarrel; just thought you might like to know.
70 posted on 10/10/2002 7:19:34 PM PDT by dsc
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To: american colleen
"You must have wonderul priests and nuns in your parish"

Well...no. But I do know some. There are a bunch associated with the Academy of the Visitation in Frederick, Maryland. Just wonderful people, all of them.

"because I don't think it is that easy to "get them out."

No, I think it will require civil disobedience. Tactics as strong, perhaps, as those employed by labor unions.

"The thing is, these guys and gals mix some ortho stuff into their teaching/preaching, so sometimes it isn't anything straight out that you can put your finger on."

Yes, the subtlety is striking. I think one way to sort out the mess is to ask, "Was this orthodox tenet included solely to provide plausible deniability?" Such things are of a kind with meaningless disclaimers.

"Most of the time it is just the horribly watered down/never mentioned things that corrupts the fullness of the Catholic faith and is responsible for the long term apathy or irrelevance outcome that people feel."

Who will demand that this stop, if not you?
71 posted on 10/10/2002 7:26:46 PM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
Oh, by the way, just as an aside, "acid" is LSD. Lysergic acid diethylamide.

Do you know this from the obligatory school report you had to write, or..........? (heeheehee...)

72 posted on 10/14/2002 7:56:33 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: B-Chan
At quick glance, this far in the thread and nobody has mentioned the possibility of attending an Eastern Rite Catholic Church....
73 posted on 10/14/2002 8:00:00 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: Jeff Chandler
Or how about the "Liturgical Dancers", or Altar Nymphs, as I call them.

Vestal Virgins?

74 posted on 10/14/2002 8:04:42 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus
Vestal Virgins?

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

75 posted on 10/14/2002 8:08:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Snuffington; american colleen
The things I've come to understand is that the "dissenters" do not like traditional Catholicism as it was understood before the 1970s.

Glance at NCR more often to understand these things more quickly.

You're not alone in that observation. I have noticed the same. There is a strong current within the Church of people who hate and despise true Catholic tradition and teaching. And many of those people occupy important positions within the Church hierarchy and bureaucracy. At the very least, that's flirting with apostasy.

Indeed! But have either of you noticed that the "next" generation seems to be hungering for orthodox traditional Catholicism. The "strong current" has gray hairs now and doesn't seem to have a following. They know this. They are therefore pushing hard at this time to "canonize" their broken agendas and defective ecclesiology...

That is one of the reasons I'm reflexively leery of those who harp on the "danger" of extending the indult.

...to a largely apathetic laity. See your Post #17:

Actually, most Catholics, overwhelmingly, won't attend Mass at all.

Those harping on the "dangers" of the indult Mass know full well that, where it is given, the Church is packed with younger Catholics. This is what they fear and find "dangerous". The younger generation rejecting their dissenting folly. They want it stopped!

Untold damage has been done these past 30-40 years as your above statement shows.

There is hope! I'm seeing more and more of the younger Priests coming out of the seminaries who are very orthodox in the totality of the Faith! They are bringing back traditional devotions with piety. Offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass (which is how they refer to it), they lay their personalities aside and allow Christ to work through them in simplicity. The need for Confession is preached and given serious time by them.

While the Church is getting smaller in the short term, having left many of the young behind the past several decades, the young who stay are interested in learning their Faith objectively. In other words, they are unaware of the so called pre- and post- Consiliar Church hoopla. This new generation has the ability to look at Vatican II with fresh eyes. Consider: It took several generations to fully implement Trent, correcting the abuses which existed back then.

76 posted on 10/14/2002 8:53:31 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: B-Chan; sinkspur
St. Thomas More Parish, Fort Worth, TX

See, sinky, you could even attend one if you so desired! Aren't you lucky?
77 posted on 10/14/2002 9:02:54 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: american colleen
The thing is, they appear to be very nice people, have very soothing voices, are ordained or part of the religious life and make us feel good about ourselves. A lethal combination. And there are tons of them out there, and I don't know why. Maybe it is worse here in the Arch of Boston, it seems most of the dissent started here, years ago.

I remember that kind of 'nice.' It's a niceness born of brain-deadness in some cases. In other cases, the niceness lasts only as long as they're not being challenged in any serious way. Have you ever heard the sermon Fr. Benedict Groschel gave on the word "nice?" Bottom line, Jesus wasn't "nice"!
78 posted on 10/14/2002 9:13:06 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: sinkspur; Maximilian
Except you.

Did you actually *read* what he said? Everything he wrote was spot on, and here you go accusing him of sin (specifically) for daring to accuse others (generally) of sin. Now that's hypocrisy for you.
79 posted on 10/14/2002 9:15:40 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
See, sinky, you could even attend one if you so desired! Aren't you lucky?

I'm very lucky to belong to St.Michael's in Bedford, Texas, a parish where seven Novus Ordo Masses are celebrated on weekends with over 6,000 Catholics and catechumens in attendance.

Last Easter, we had 54 people welcomed into the Faith.

The Ft. Worth diocese is a wonderful microcosm of Catholicism: vibrant Catholic parishes, a Tridentine Indult parish, two Anglican-use parishes, and four married Anglican dispensation priests.

80 posted on 10/14/2002 9:17:40 PM PDT by sinkspur
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