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To: drstevej
Truth is never blasphemy.

Were there not some who accepted Moses as a true prophet of God and others who did not? Of course. Same thing with Joseph, and as I said before, if you reject a prophet of God, you have rejected God. It doesn't make any difference if that prophet is Moses or Joseph Smith.

If you can make some kind of reasoned argument for how a person who rejects a prophet of God and does not repent of it can still enter heaven, then make it.
104 posted on 10/05/2002 8:45:06 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Grig
I believe that the pertinent question is ...

Why should we believe that Joseph was a prophet of God ?

What would lead us to this belief ?

106 posted on 10/05/2002 8:53:54 PM PDT by Quester
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To: Grig; P-Marlowe; Wrigley; RnMomof7; computerjunkie; JMJ333; Polycarp
***I said before, if you reject a prophet of God, you have rejected God.***

True, but you presuppose Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are true prophets, AND that is the issue! Furthermore, P-Marlow and I have presented copious reasons for the conclusion that these two are false prophets.

The Freeper LDS folk do not want to engage P-M in a reasoned discission of whether Joseph Smith is a true prophet or a false prophet. Or are you NOW willing to do so?

Instead, you claim Smith to be a true prophet based upon a burning bosom. And tell others if they were really sincere and really prayed about it God would confirm it. A convenient apporach to avoid any sober analysis of Joseph Smith's history and theology.

Joe Smith is no Moses. His homemade religion is closer to Micah in Judges 17&18!
108 posted on 10/05/2002 8:56:53 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Grig
And another thing ... JESUS, the ultimate authority on our salvation, consistently declared that our entry into heaven depended solely on our belief, trust, and acceptance in HIM, apart from any prophets which came before or who may have come after. Certainly a belief in the prophetic ministry of Moses would be a support for our ultimate belief in JESUS, but it would not be a necessity. There are those who have placed their hope of salvation in JESUS, who, for the moment perhaps, know nothing of Moses or his ministry. For some, that knowledge comes later. Assuredly, acceptance of any particular prophet's ministry or teaching, many of whom we are not aware, is not stated by JESUS as a requirement for the salvation God offers.

JESUS is very clear on this ...

For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world, through Him, might be saved.

Whosoever believeth in Him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son.

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him.

Truly, truly I say unto you ... He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that hath sent me, hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life. John 5:22-24

And this is the record ... that God hath given unto us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God. I John 5:11-13

You see, Grig, it's not really about Joseph, ... it's about JESUS.

Joseph was/is, at best, 'a light'.

JESUS is 'THE LIGHT'.

If I have 'THE LIGHT', it is not a necessity for me to have any other 'light', whether it be Joseph, or Moses, or any other. The purpose of these 'other lights' was/is, as it was/is with John the Baptist, to point the way to 'THE LIGHT' of JESUS (John 1:6-9).


116 posted on 10/05/2002 9:51:51 PM PDT by Quester
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