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To: Grig
And another thing ... JESUS, the ultimate authority on our salvation, consistently declared that our entry into heaven depended solely on our belief, trust, and acceptance in HIM, apart from any prophets which came before or who may have come after. Certainly a belief in the prophetic ministry of Moses would be a support for our ultimate belief in JESUS, but it would not be a necessity. There are those who have placed their hope of salvation in JESUS, who, for the moment perhaps, know nothing of Moses or his ministry. For some, that knowledge comes later. Assuredly, acceptance of any particular prophet's ministry or teaching, many of whom we are not aware, is not stated by JESUS as a requirement for the salvation God offers.

JESUS is very clear on this ...

For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world, through Him, might be saved.

Whosoever believeth in Him is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son.

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him.

Truly, truly I say unto you ... He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that hath sent me, hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life. John 5:22-24

And this is the record ... that God hath given unto us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God. I John 5:11-13

You see, Grig, it's not really about Joseph, ... it's about JESUS.

Joseph was/is, at best, 'a light'.

JESUS is 'THE LIGHT'.

If I have 'THE LIGHT', it is not a necessity for me to have any other 'light', whether it be Joseph, or Moses, or any other. The purpose of these 'other lights' was/is, as it was/is with John the Baptist, to point the way to 'THE LIGHT' of JESUS (John 1:6-9).


116 posted on 10/05/2002 9:51:51 PM PDT by Quester
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To: Quester
Matt 21
33 ¶ Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.


So, you are saying then you can beat and kill the servenats all you want?

You are welcome to your opinion, but I say that anyone who reject a prophet of God, rejects God as well. Even drstevej agrees with me on this.
124 posted on 10/05/2002 10:26:45 PM PDT by Grig
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