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To: rising tide
I don't think Steve wants the LDS to read this thread.

I think the study is perfectly in keeping with the ideas that "strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it" and that "Many will say to [Jesus] in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will [He] profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

And the general bickering over Christian doctrine that goes on here day in and day out is certainly evidence of that possibility. Christ prayed that His disciples would be unified:

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

The unity on this thread seems to be somewhat lacking, all because of the mistaken concept of what predestination is.

It's not our choices that are predestined; what is predestined is the Plan of Salvation, whereby a Savior would be provided to save those who desire to be saved. As Nephi puts it, "the way is prepared for all men from the foundation of the world". When we play a game of Sorry! or Monopoly, the rules are established ahead of time, and the interplay of those rules with the choices made by the players will determine the outcome of the game. There will be a winner, but that is determined by the choices made by all of the players during the course of the game. In real life, God has designed it so that everyone can win, provided they make correct choices. Nobody is prevented by God from winning; everyone wins or loses depending on the choices they make. The choices are not predetermined, but the rules under which everyone "plays" are.

307 posted on 10/01/2002 9:32:48 AM PDT by CubicleGuy
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To: CubicleGuy
CG quoted this scripture:"Many will say to [Jesus] in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will [He] profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

rt: Interesting, I had this same scripture come into my mind while I was reading the artical. It may be true that the "born again Christian" is in many cases born again in name only. If there lives aren't transformed can they truly be born again?

532 posted on 10/01/2002 8:53:01 PM PDT by rising tide
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To: CubicleGuy
It's not our choices that are predestined; what is predestined is the Plan of Salvation, whereby a Savior would be provided to save those who desire to be saved.

Sorry Mom....... but THIS time I am agreeing with a MORMON!!!


The Book of Lifw WAS CREATED before the foundation of the world, but WE choose whether or not our names are there.
552 posted on 10/02/2002 5:18:14 AM PDT by Elsie
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