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Worship Centers Ponder Best Spirtual Seating
The Grand Rapids Press ^ | 9/28/02 | Juanita Westaby

Posted on 09/28/2002 7:12:36 AM PDT by Wrigley

Worship centers ponder best spiritual seating

Saturday, September 28, 2002

By Juanita Westaby The Grand Rapids Press

Aworshipper's mind is supposed to be on God, but every once in awhile, it slips to his or her backside.

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There's the pinched nerve, the lower backache, the legs that just have to cross and uncross so the movement can ease muscles strained from sitting.

Between the yearnings for God and a happy backside, many West Michigan churches are searching for seating that will provide members the best fit for worship.

A growing number of local worship centers are rejecting pews as the seating of choice, opting for moveable chairs or comfy theater-style seats.

Companies such as Irwin Seating Co. in Walker each year sell thousands of seats to congregations such as Kentwood Community Church, which opted for theater seats over chairs when it built its 2,300-seat worship center five years ago.

But not everybody is sold on chairs. Pews have a solid base of fans, too.

In fact, few worshippers lack opinions in the pews-vs.-chairs debate.

"I wouldn't even come to church if they didn't have nice, soft chairs. I couldn't take it," said Violet Start, 74, who loves the comfort of the theater-style seats at Kentwood Community Church.

At St. Andrew's Cathedral, parishioner Dee Bochniak heads straight for softly padded chairs added during a renovation two years ago. The chairs, relegated to the back and sides of the historic church, supplement oak pews that dominate the sanctuary.

"I prefer these chairs," said Bochniak, who is in her 70s. "They're a lot more comfortable if you have a pinched nerve, sore knees, a sore back. You can worship better in comfort than in pain."

Bochniak's husband, Tom, weighs in as a pew defender.

Stadium seats, especially, "cause a separation of people," he said. "In the pew, you sometimes have people squash into you. It makes people more aware of others."

For some, it's about comfort

But comfort and convenience wins out for more and more churches, according to Les Lundberg. His job at Irwin Seating is selling the company's chairs to churches. His title: worship sales manager.

There is a "huge growth opportunity" in putting theater seats in mega-churches nationwide, he says.

"Churches are looking for a non-traditional look," Lundberg said. "The growth is in the non-churched, and making them feel very comfortable in a non-church-like setting."

Irwin sold seats to a full gospel church in Dallas, a nondenominational church in West Lake, Calif., and to Kentwood Community Church.

The company believes it will sell about 50,000 chairs a year, but total market demand is near 200,000 seats a year, Lundberg says.

Protestant congregations make up the lion's share of sales. Many Catholic churches stick with pews because they have kneeling benches.

"We've lost some jobs because of the kneeler issue," Lundberg said. "But that's one of our goals -- to solve the kneeler thing."

Theater seats were an easy sell at Kentwood Community Church, whose contemporary services come on a stage large enough to accommodate a piano, two sets of drums, several guitars, two sets of singers, and a multi-media background that displays songs and Scripture passages.

Pews "really didn't fit the design of the building," church operations director Jerry DeRuiter said. "The theater seats fit much better."

He has no fond remembrance of church pews. "My memory of it was the backs of the pews were awfully hard. You'd bang your head on the back of the pews and it was very loud."

To boost flexibility of the space, the church included a few rows of straight-backed seats near the stage, padded in a fabric that matches the plum-colored theater seats.

It is those chairs where Debbie Knorr likes to worship.

"I like sitting in the front so I feel like I'm in a small church even if I'm in a large church," she said. "I like this (smaller) space, the intimacy of it."

Differing ideas of intimacy is part of what drives the pew-vs.-seats debate.

For others, it's about fellowship

Lundberg says most people, given the choice, happily take their 19 to 26 inches of personal space in an individual chair with arms.

In a pew, studies suggest, the same person might try to take 3 feet of room for personal space, but could end up with only 18 inches. "That's like sitting at a Michigan (football) game," Lundberg said.

But worshippers communing shoulder to shoulder is exactly what the Rev. Tom Bolster likes to see at St. Andrew's Cathedral, where the restored pews are hand-carved with quatrefoils, cathedral window patterns and oak leaves.

"A theater or auditorium is not a model for liturgical space," Bolster said. "We need the life and encouragement of seeing other people's eyes and expressions. We need to see them speak and sing. It's a lonely matter when one can only see the backs of heads.

"Everyone must be capable of seeing each other, touching one another, joining in processions easily," Bolster said.

The pews at St. Andrew's are fine for Emmanuel Amog, who attends with his wife, Ana, and their daughter, Trina.

"We're just used to sitting on the bench together," Amog said. "On the bench, we're three, together."

According to Calvin Institute of Christian Worship Director John Witvliet, pews encourage more interaction with the congregation.

"The tension is between wanting to give people a safe (psychological) space and wanting to encourage interaction with other people," Witvliet said.

"Theater-style seats encourage more of an onlooker, observer situation. They're used in churches where there's less movement by the congregation."

Evolving seats

Church seating has gone through many changes over the centuries, Witvliet said.

Early cathedrals had no seats and congregants stood -- a practice many Eastern rite churches try to preserve today. Early versions of pews began showing up in 15th- and 16th-century churches, the carving becoming more elaborate. Puritan meeting houses in America had benches, and soon, pews were universal in churches across America.

By the 1880s, when large opera houses were being built in this country, Protestant churches marveled at the opulent, padded seats, and decided to adopt the same seats for worship.

"It was a sign of wealth," Witvliet said. "Wealthy churches could afford (opera seats) and poor churches couldn't."

Some churches prefer simple chairs over both theater seats and pews. Chairs provide far more flexibility in using the worship space, members say.

Church of the Servant Christian Reformed Church offers 650 simple, hard chairs amidst the cinder-block-walled sanctuary.

Simplicity rules at this church

Intimacy, simplicity and flexibility are what the worship space is all about, the Rev. Jack Roeda said. The half-circle of chairs around the altar encourages congregants to look at others, especially when they gather for communion.

As parishioners approached the altar for communion, the smooth, flat floor meant a young man in a wheelchair, families and an elderly couple all had equal access. When two more people needed to be included in the last round for communion, the congregation moved in to give them more room.

The church's bare-necessity feel is "very liturgical," Roeda said. "There's a going back and forth between the people and God. It's dialogical.

"I wouldn't want to say they couldn't do that with theater seats. It's just there's a certain plainness and ordinariness about these. One of the things we strived for was to dignify the ordinary."

Annette Ediger, 34, a mother of two young children, usually sits in the back, where the chairs are plastic, not wooden like in most of the church.

"For those of us who are latecomers and have children, we sit in the back with the just-plastic chairs. That's our punishment," she quipped.

But Ediger says she does not mind the hard duty since she loves the simplicity of her church.

And one thing in the great seat debate has not changed over the years: The back row offers an advantage, especially to young families.

"We like being back in the plastic chairs because we can sneak out when we need to," Ediger said.

© 2002 Grand Rapids Press. Used with permission


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; Religion & Culture; Worship
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To: RnMomof7
Well, the Pepsi drinker clinched it.
21 posted on 09/28/2002 1:35:08 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: computerjunkie
Diet Coke

Heretic. :-)

22 posted on 09/28/2002 1:36:05 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: ponyespresso
LOL
23 posted on 09/28/2002 1:37:59 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley

24 posted on 09/28/2002 1:38:54 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Wrigley
Well, the Pepsi drinker clinched it.

It's a no Brainer:>)

25 posted on 09/28/2002 1:44:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: drstevej
I remember having that in glass 16oz returnable bottles at my grandparents home. Brings back great memories.
26 posted on 09/28/2002 1:46:17 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: RnMomof7
LOL

27 posted on 09/28/2002 1:47:50 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
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28 posted on 09/28/2002 1:50:02 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Wow.
29 posted on 09/28/2002 2:08:44 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
I was going to say I would let you get away with that since we were in the News/Activism forum and not the Religion forum. However, I just realized we ARE in the Religion forum. But since you were referring to my taste in soft drinks and not religion, I guess it's OK.

(That "Megachurches" thread needs to be moved to this forum. I'm getting confused and having trouble keeping up!)

30 posted on 09/28/2002 2:48:33 PM PDT by computerjunkie
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To: computerjunkie
LOL. Good thing I put the :-) after.

Its been a while since a religion post has stayed in the News forum. Don't say anything.
31 posted on 09/28/2002 3:35:54 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: computerjunkie
Well, about 3 years ago we expanded our church facility and the shape and construction of the original sanctuary made that difficult.

Old sanctuary = 56' x 36' with 6 wooden arches 8' apart. They rise to a height of 16' above floor.
11 pews on a side 8-9 in a pew. room for about 176-180
average ~ 110
Hardwood floors under pews, rug in aisles and on platform.
Sunday school rooms and utilities in basement.


We added to the rear another 20' depth; picked up two more SS rooms under that. Built a large foyer and gained a large teen room under it. Enlarged the bathrooms and added a new pastors office as well.

We opted for chairs in the new portion due to prices. And it is carpeted as well. You have more of a sense of 'personal space' with the chairs and you WON'T get crowed there when we have a large turnout.

The new portion has a lower ceiling as we choose trusses (price ;^) to make the roofline the same outside the building. The ceiling in back is about 12' high at the peak. We were able to buy the same style ceiling lights as we had in the old portion, they are merely shorter to give the same sense of scale to them as they are lower. We also use lower wattage bulbs in them to scale the brightness as well.

It did tend to put the new seats further from the preacher, but there was just no other way to add on the old structure without it looking REALLY stupid! (We made up for this a bit by enlarging the platform forward 7' just before last Easter. We had to remove the front pews, but since none hardly ever sat there, it didn't cause any ripple effect. The #2 pew people have now become #1's and they didn't have to move at all!!)

We also RAISED the platform one more step up and were able to gain storage space UNDER it that had been wasted space before. A large 3' x 8' x 16" drawer now can be pulled out to put excess sound equipment and infrequently used items. The communion supplies are behind another access panel.

For Christmas and Easter cantatas, we had been using some portable risers to stand upon, but these required hauling them out of the garage each time they were needed. They were heavy, awkward and took up space in the garage.

We designed 4 large carpeted boxes to replace them. When not used, they sit flat on the floor and the tops are even with the rest of the platform surface. When it's choir time again, we merely lift the boxes up and place either a 7"(front) or a 14"(rear) spacer under them and VIOLA! we got steps to stand on! (we've gotten lazy and already someone has mentioned a highpower garage door opener would be nice!!)
32 posted on 09/28/2002 4:01:49 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: computerjunkie
Your worship center has a gym?

What on earth or in heaven is a gym doing in a church?

33 posted on 10/01/2002 1:50:37 AM PDT by PFKEY
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