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Miracle Cure Brings Sainthood to Polish Nun (Divine Mercy)
Detroit News via the Washington Post ^ | April 26, 2000 | Carlyle Murphy

Posted on 09/03/2002 12:16:14 PM PDT by Aliska

Miracle Cure: Priest's recovery brings sainthood to Polish nun

By Caryle Murphy/The Washington Post In 1995, the Rev. Ronald P. Pytel, just 48, had resigned himself to an idle life and early death. His heart was so damaged that simply walking made him winded. His complexion was pallid, his weight a gaunt 140 pounds. His quality of life, he recalls one doctor saying, "wasn't worth a plug nickel." But the pastor of Holy Rosary Catholic Church in Baltimore, like many of his parishioners, had long been devoted to Faustina Kowalska, a Polish nun and mystic who died in 1938. At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her for his health when Pytel fell to the floor and, although conscious, couldn't get up for 15 minutes. "I could talk, but I couldn't move a muscle," he recalled. "It was as though I was paralyzed." When he finally stood up, he felt so fit he began laughing. Nowadays, the blond Pytel has the rosy cheeks of a choirboy, weighs a hearty 170 pounds and swims with abandon. His pumping machine is so robust he jokes of having "the heart of a 19-year-old." He and his parishioners call what happened a miracle. And so does the Catholic Church.

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To: Sock
Your comment is ignored.
41 posted on 09/03/2002 4:01:09 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I do not know specifically. I have never thought about it. Perhaps someone else can address it better than I can. My guess would be that those in the old testament aren't asked to intercede because they didn't participate in the salvific work of Christ and His church. In other words, we recognize saints who lived and died for the Christian faith. But again, that is only a guess.
42 posted on 09/03/2002 4:03:33 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: drstevej
You're still a horse's a$$ regardless.
43 posted on 09/03/2002 4:04:08 PM PDT by Sock
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To: Wrigley
I understood, but disagree because I see nothing wrong with asking for help from God and His saints for whatever it is I may need. It doesn't hurt to have intercession on my behalf for the things that are important to me.
44 posted on 09/03/2002 4:06:19 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Thanks for the response. Perhaps someone else has more to add.
45 posted on 09/03/2002 4:10:47 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: JMJ333
I'll just leave it at that. My intention wasn't to destroy the thread.
46 posted on 09/03/2002 4:17:14 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: CCWoody
Lawyers pray all the time.
47 posted on 09/03/2002 4:18:46 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: drstevej
So asking Abraham, Moses and David is legitimate from a RC perspective?

Honestly,I've never thought about this.It's not a bad question.I know someone I can ask.I'll let you know what I find out.

48 posted on 09/03/2002 4:24:47 PM PDT by Codie
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To: drstevej
Dear drstevej,

"I am also an astro fan, but I understand there is already a patron saint of hopeless causes. :)"

Indeed, that is my own patron saint, St. Jude.

As to OT guys, they're saints, you can ask them to intercede on your behalf.

As to your further questions, this article gives a little illumination: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11562a.htm

It's a bit long, so I'm not going to quote from it. But, several paragraphs in, the article speaks about patron saints as folks who proclaimed the Gospel.

Hope it helps.

sitetest
49 posted on 09/03/2002 4:25:48 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest; Codie
thanks.
50 posted on 09/03/2002 4:29:09 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: CCWoody; JMJ333
Waiting in Joyful Hope
They, the ones beneath the smooth, snowy mounds of graves, are the living. We, yet to be perfected, are the dead.

Mary Sawyer

I am making a grave. In my clean morning kitchen, I pour onto a platter the mix of boiled wheat berries, nuts, and dried fruits. I pat it into an oval mound, and it rises like a newly made grave. My grandfather died two years ago, and I am making this dish, called "kolliva," to bring to a memorial service.

In the Orthodox Church, at regular times of the year, we hold a group memorial service. Members of the church give the priest a list of the names they'd like remembered at the service, and each family brings a dish of kolliva as well. The wheat berries, small nut-like grains with a satisfying crunch, symbolize the hope of new life; as Jesus said, "Unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone, but if it dies, it bears much fruit" (John 12:24). Once it has been mixed with fruits, nuts, and honey, the concoction is heaped on a platter and shaped into a mound. It is then covered with white powdered sugar to symbolize purity--the state of the soul newly received into Heaven. Candy and fruit decorations mark the kolliva with a cross.

Before the memorial service begins, all the plates of kolliva are placed on a table near the front of the church. Candles are plunked into each mound, one to represent each person you are remembering. The candles represent light and resurrection. At Christ's death on Holy and Great Friday, darkness covered the earth, but we know that he rose again; he is the light that extinguishes all darkness.

At the end of the service, the sweet kolliva is served up for everyone to eat. When everyone has been served and there are still leftovers, women start going around with their platters, doling out extra helpings. Before long, there is an assortment of different kinds of homemade kolliva on your plate, representing several different families' prayers. Everyone's kolliva is mixed together, just like everybody's loved ones, who are now acquainted and "mixed" together in the Place of Eternal Rest.

After many, many years of waiting and hoping, I am now four months pregnant for the first time in my life. Early this morning as I patted my little mound of kolliva, layer after layer of patting, smoothing, feeling the curvature of its little grave-like mound, I could not help but notice that it feels exactly as my budding belly feels these days. I am just beginning to swell, and the shape, at the end of four months, is the same as my little kolliva. The firmness was like the strange firmness to my stomach. The curve of one imitated the curve of the other.

The kolliva beneath my hands was being offered for my grandfather, who passed from this life two years ago. For him, I was making the mound of the grave. The swell in my hands was the shape of death. But the swelling stomach beneath my nightgown early this morning was the swell of new life. And yet, as a friend pointed out last night while we were preparing the ingredients, "Your grandfather is alive. You are the one that is dead."

How very right he is. They, the ones beneath the smooth, snowy mounds of graves, are the living. We, yet to be perfected, are the dead.

In doing this we blur the boundary between the mortal and the immortal. We blend the physical and the spiritual. We dissolve the barrier between the living and the dead. How beautiful is this mixing of this life and the next life, of this world and the next world; of things visible and things invisible! Whether we know one another or not, we share, materially and spiritually, in our kolliva, our prayers, our loss of loved ones, our grief, our hope, our expectation of the resurrection, our light, our joy. This simple act of preparing food, attending church, and sharing what we have made resonates with profound meaning. I am four months along, waiting for a birth that will change my life. But I look forward to another birth, one my grandfather has already undergone, that will change it for all eternity.

51 posted on 09/03/2002 4:42:54 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Thanks. A nice way to give a tribute to her grandfather.
52 posted on 09/03/2002 5:06:53 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: drstevej
I don't ask any of those saints to intercede for me. I can't answer personally. The church, as far as I know, has not encouraged/taught the intercession of anyone other that St. John the Baptist among those you mentioned.

Moses talked to Jesus, and from what I know of the old testament, it was unprecedented, except in the case of I believe it was Saul and Samuel. In that particular situation, Saul went against the established rules by calling up the dead through a medium.

53 posted on 09/03/2002 5:57:12 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: CCWoody
I cannot answer a question that is loaded. I do not know for absolute certain one way or the other if asking saints to pray for us is idolatry. Personally I don't believe it is although I normally pray to the Father through Jesus.

If your other question was if there is mention of that in the bible, I don't think there is anything specific regarding that practice, although there are hints of it in Revelation.

My turn to ask a question. If you don't answer it, I don't want to talk to you because you sound very intolerant.

If you had the power, would you knock that priest back on his sickbed because you don't believe those catholics prayed right?

54 posted on 09/03/2002 6:05:52 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: JMJ333; drstevej; Matchett-PI
At a healing service in October 1995, he and a dozen church members were praying to her [Faustina]
Yeah, I get it. You're incapable of understand dictionary definitions, even more uncapable of understand when someone tells you they don't worship a saint because they ask patronage of them. I know...you being elect and all don't need any extra help or guidance. Yeah...I got it all right...

I figure that:
  1. You are absolutely clueless to the argument I'm making due to your blind rage at the truth I've given you in the past.
  2. Your english teacher should be slapped for passing you as your reading comprehension is totally nonexistent.
  3. You are so entrenched into Romish Dogma that you are incapable of independent thought.
  4. Some combination of the above.
I'm not even discussing intercession for someone. You keep bringing this up as an argument to justify praying to someone. I have already told you that I can easily go to my Bible and find a verse which talks about making prayers of intercession for someone. Therefore your dictionary definition doesn't even address the argument. I'm simply asking you, if you are capable of understanding the English language, where in the Bible you find that Prayer to the Saints... is Scriptural.

Are you even in the ballpark, or am I talking to a praud graduate of Publik Edjucation?
55 posted on 09/03/2002 6:19:02 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
You're the only one that can't figure out what intercessory means. Of course the prayers are addressed to the particular saint. But as I have already told you 15 times, they aren't prayers of worship and are akin to asking for help. Everyone on the thread understands this but you. And that is because you're as blind as a bat and unable to comprehend things even when they come straight from the dictionary and are higlighted in bold.
56 posted on 09/03/2002 6:23:59 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: CCWoody
There is no Biblical call to pray to anyone but Christ. I don't see the attempts of deflection ending.
57 posted on 09/03/2002 6:27:41 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
It isn't a deflection. Its pretty simple in fact. You seem to equate saying "Dear St. Martin, please ask Jesus to answer my prayer" with "St. Martin answer my prayer." if you can't figure out the difference then what can I say?
58 posted on 09/03/2002 6:33:42 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Aliska; Wrigley; drstevej
If your other question was if there is mention of that in the bible, I don't think there is anything specific regarding that practice, although there are hints of it in Revelation.

OK, do you know what these verses are? You have a very unusual practice here, especially since I can point to the verse which says pray to the Father. If you cannot find any Biblical justification then, at the very least, your prayers will be ignored and worst, you will be praying like an idolater.

If you had the power, would you knock that priest back on his sickbed because you don't believe those catholics prayed right?

I do have that power already. Gosh, I have the power to make almost anyone sick or dead. We all have that power. We just choose not to exercise that power.

Would it make you feel better that I also believe that sometimes those flopping on the ground Charismatics get healed as well by doing it the wrong way.
59 posted on 09/03/2002 6:35:04 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: Wrigley
And I find it highly comical that you guys continually laud the Jewish people who use tradition as well as the Torah and sacred scripture, yet you won't tolerate that same principal from Rome.
60 posted on 09/03/2002 6:36:16 PM PDT by JMJ333
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