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Spread the Good News!
1 posted on 07/21/2002 6:37:56 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; attagirl; ...
Evangelization Bump!

Any thoughts from any of you?

2 posted on 07/21/2002 6:39:52 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
All over the world, and even in our churches, the good news of the possibility of eternal salvation for each and every one of us is slowly being leached away. So many are forgetting the whole point of Jesus' presence on this Earth. As you said, let's spread the Good News!
3 posted on 07/21/2002 7:20:28 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Salvation
We are sent as “light” to people so blinded by despair that they are unable to forgive others or even to forgive their own sins. We are sent to carry hope, the healing message of the Father of life, to all his beloved children threatened by either the attraction or fear of death.

I love that part! Thanks for posting such uplifting articles. They are an oasis sometimes.

4 posted on 07/21/2002 8:57:18 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Salvation
In athletics, business, and politics, people work with incredible enthusiasm and determination in their quest of fame, money, power, and pleasure.

Thought the following story from the webmaster at www.spiritdaily.com, would surely be an inspiritational example of evangelization.

By Michael H. Brown

A little over ten years ago I attended a pro-life conference in Chicago and there met a man named Thomas S. Monaghan, who at the time owned Domino's Pizza, a major-league baseball team (the Detroit Tigers), and a software company. Back then he was said to be worth $600 million but ended up a billionaire.

I was impressed with his wealth, of course, but more so with what he decided to do with it. He said he planned to divest his companies and dedicate the rest of his life to serving his faith, which is Catholicism. He told me two of the very highest points of his life had been meeting the Pope in his private chapel (where Monaghan received Communion from the Pope's hands) and being present for an apparition at Medjugorje in Bosnia-Hercegovina. After his spiritual awakening, Monaghan halted construction on a home that if I recall accurately was to be located in the Ann Arbor area and cost more than $30 million. 

The house, I gather, ended up significantly smaller, and true to his words, Monaghan ended up selling both Domino's and the Tigers. He has taken his fortune and used it to build missions or churches in Third World countries like  Nicaragua (where he paid three-quarters the cost of a new cathedral) and has founded Ave Maria, a Catholic law school in Michigan. This man who could easily have afforded a fleet of his own jets has also taken to flying coach, and has started up an organization for Catholic CEOs that focuses on spirituality. One newspaper quoted him as saying that the idea came from "divine inspiration." His new goal, he says, is to "die broke." 

Obviously, Thomas Monaghan is not going to end up on the street, but it was his way of saying that he planned to allocate most of his money in service to God. I don't know the accuracy of every little detail, but the point is that he is following what Jesus asked of the rich man (Matthew 19:21) and is doing what we all, rich or poor, are supposed to do: take gifts we have been given and use them for the Lord and the betterment not of self but of mankind. 

It is time for more CEOs -- for all CEOs, for all wealthy people, and for everyone else -- to wake up to what is right to do with their money. I don't know if everyone is meant to take the exact same course but do you realize how many kids in the Philippines or Pakistan or India or Tanzania can be fed with $1 million -- which is what countless rich Americans spend every year on their yachts?

This is a sin greater than what our "Christian" society will acknowledge. 

The Pope himself sternly warned in 1999 (during his trip to the U.S.) against a runaway free-market system and a "purely economic conception of man." 

A basic tenet of Christianity is that one cannot serve both God and mammon -- yet this is precisely what a majority of Americans, perhaps a large majority, now do. Too many have become slaves to gold and bonds and the stock market, not realizing that the Catholic Church has long taught that capitalism can become as evil as socialism and that it is wrong to compete selfishly or to gamble or to gouge each other -- to take advantage, to charge "whatever the market will bear." 

As historian Barbara Tuchman recounts, our Christian forbearers stated "that profit beyond a minimum necessary to support the dealer was avarice, that to make money out of money by charging interest on a loan was the sin of usury" and that "prices should be set at a 'just' level, meaning the value of the labor added to the value of the raw material."  In Church history, usury was considered to be the charging of a higher rate than was absolutely necessary. Take a look at interest payments on new homes or what credit-card companies charge and see if there is something fundamentally wrong with the modern system.

This may seem radical, but it is what is taught by our Church. In a right world, a man makes good money for providing legitimate societal benefit. 

But this is not what we see in the modern world. Today we see executives who cart off not millions but tens of millions from companies that aren't even viable and that they did not even start and who when you really look at it produce nothing. 

I remember when I lived in Manhattan in the Roaring Eighties and 25-year-old kids who were working the foreign exchange desks down at the World Trade Center could afford limousines and big nights out and I remember the commodity brokers who were sapping the systems while the farmers who actually grew the product were going bankrupt.   

Contrast this with Jesus, Who Himself is never recorded to have owned anything but the clothes He wore and the scars from His cross. 

I know plenty of wealthy people who are very decent -- and excellent Catholics. Being prosperous doesn't make somebody evil. And being poor doesn't make someone good.

But as Jesus said, how difficult it is for the rich to gain direct entry into heaven. 

Tom Monaghan? I don't know Tom Monaghan. We met that brief time. But I'll never forget him. To me, he's an American hero, or at least a great example of a Catholic businessman. The last time I saw him in the news he was proposing to build what might be the world's largest Crucifix (or at least the tallest free-standing one in the West). The proposed 25-story crucifix, planned for the law school campus, would be taller than the old General Motors Building, taller than the Leaning Tower of Pisa, and just 51 feet short of the Statue of Liberty's torch.

I don't know if he's going ahead with that plan, but I know if more CEOs followed his way an awful lot more of them would find their way through the eye of the needle.

6 posted on 07/22/2002 4:48:10 AM PDT by NYer
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To: All
The Harvest is Ready

The World Needs the Good News
How to Reach Others with the Gospel


Be Natural and Open. In your conversation with friends and acquaintances, share naturally. Don’t worry about getting all the theology right, just speak from your heart about the Lord. Talk freely about your Christian activities. Don’t be afraid to offer a godly perspective on the news or current affairs.
(1 Corinthians 2:1-5; 2 Corinthians 2:14-17)

Speak Personally and Sincerely. Be courteous and gentle as you speak about your experience of God’s love, his mercy, or his power to change your heart. Avoid religious jargon. Be careful not to be critical or judgmental, but simply share what you know to be true, and let the witness of your life do the work of convincing.
(2 Corinthians 4:5; 1 Thessalonians 1:6-8)

Pray. Intercede with love and compassion—and with patience and perseverance—for those with whom you are sharing the gospel. Don’t just pray for a deeper conversion, but pray for their everyday needs and for the other challenges they are facing in life. When you do have an opportunity to talk about the gospel, ask the Holy Spirit to give you the right words and the right heart. Also, ask the Lord to send more “laborers into the harvest”.
(Matthew 9:36-38; 10:19-20; Philippians 1:8-11)

21 posted on 07/26/2002 4:54:06 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: All
The Harvest is Ready

Go with Urgency
“Go! I have a job for you! I commission you and I send you forth and expect you to produce abundant fruit.”


The word “Go!” is used 1,514 times in the Bible. It appears 233 times in the New Testament, and 54 times in Matthew’s Gospel alone. Jesus says, “Go, and be reconciled with your brother” (Matthew 5:24). . . . “If any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles” (5:41) . . . . “Go to the other side of the lake” (8:18). . . . “Go to the lost sheep” (10:6)
. . . . “Go tell John” (11:4). . . . “Go, sell all you have” (19:21) . . . . “Go, invite all you meet” (22:9). And finally, “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations” (28:19).

The job of saying “Go!” is something like the job of the engineer who pushes the button that launches the space shuttle. As Christians following Jesus’ command to evangelize, we need even more thrust, even more power than that. We are not sending a space ship to the moon or to Jupiter. We are trying to bring humankind all the way to God, all the way to heavenly glory. That’s going to take a lot of thrust!

The first “push” came two thousand years ago from the Holy Spirit. Five minutes after the Spirit was poured out on Pentecost, he had the apostles down in the street evangelizing and baptizing three thousand new believers. I usually grow impatient when I see something requiring dynamic action and immediate response being left undone or done too slowly or done too late to make a difference. That’s how I feel even if the situation is just something I’m watching in a movie: “Unidentified planes are heading for Pearl Harbor!” “Oh, it’s probably just another false alarm.” “Help, officer! Someone is trying to kill me!” “Okay, but could I first have your social security number, ma’am?” But I am excited and delighted when an emergency is met with dynamic and immediate action.

No Time to Waste. Do you remember, in every Tarzan film, how quick Tarzan was to come to the rescue? Whenever Jane or Boy was in distress, he came running faster than a deer, swinging through the trees faster than the apes. He knew the job was urgent. There was no time to waste. And he responded accordingly. To a far greater degree, Jesus saw his own mission as extremely urgent. Even as a young boy, he explained, “I must be about my Father’s business” (Luke 2:49). And when he gives the same message to us, the language he uses expresses urgency: “Go out quickly . . . and bring in the poor and the maimed, the blind and the lame” (Luke 14:21).

The angel also spoke urgently when he said to the women at the tomb: “Go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead” (Matthew 28:7). The angel seemed to be saying, “No excuses or no hesitation now. Get going fast!” After the ascension, another angel was equally urgent: “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up toward heaven? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go” (Acts 1:11). That time, the angel seemed to be saying, “And when Jesus comes back, he’d better not catch you standing around doing nothing!”

We respond with urgency when there’s a fire, or a baby falls down a well, or someone has a heart attack. In an urgent situation, a late response is useless. When the chance to do something urgent is gone, it’s usually lost forever. That’s why it’s called an emergency. If an office is on fire, does the secretary say, “Let me finish my mail first”? If a home is on fire, does a father whose children are inside call the fire department a half hour later? Do the firefighters say, “We’ll drop by after our coffee break”? Do the firemen and the father calmly talk about the outside chance that the children may get out on their own . . . if everyone just keeps cool?

Doing Our Job.
Very often today Christians and the Christian churches are too cool, forgetting Jesus’ warning: “Because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spit you out of my mouth” (Revelation 3:16). We don’t seem to realize that it is the Father’s house on fire with his beloved children inside! It is not time for just another quiet chat or another workshop!

The mission to evangelize is urgent. We are searching for the lost sheep of Christ, and there are wolves out there! A roaring lion is on the prowl, looking for those he can devour (1 Peter 5:8)! The world is in mourning, and we must roll back the stone to unveil the risen Christ for all the world to see! Without him, there is only darkness. Many people have totally lost their way. And we must bring them home as children of God. They could die without ever coming to know their heavenly Father.

What is our job as Christians? Why are we sent? Why does Jesus tell us, “Get going!”? Because he wants us “to open the eyes of those to whom I am sending you, to turn them from darkness to light, from the dominion of Satan to God, that through their faith . . . they may obtain forgiveness of their sins and a portion among God’s people” (Acts 26:16-18). What message are we bringing? “There is no other name in the whole world given to men by which they are to be saved” (4:12).

What promise are we given? “Whoever brings a sinner back from his way will save his soul and cancel a multitude of sins” (James 5:20). The first Christians had a strong sense of urgency: “Every day in the temple and at home they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ” (Acts 5:42). As Paul exclaimed, “Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! . . . I am entrusted with a commission. . . . I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. . . . To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some” (1 Corinthians 9:16-22).

Pope John Paul II also frequently reminds us that our task today is especially urgent: “The urgency of the church’s mission is obvious” (Mission of the Redeemer, 3). “What moves me even more strongly to proclaim the urgency of missionary evangelization is the fact that it is the primary service which the church can render to every individual and to all humanity in the modern world, a world which . . . seems to have lost its sense of ultimate realities and of existence itself” (Mission of the Redeemer, 2).

Let’s Get Going! So let’s go. Let’s go with God: “It was God who multiplied the descendants of Abraham like the sands of the sea, and the stars of the sky” (Hebrews 11:12). When the early Christians preached to the Greeks in Antioch, “The hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number that believed turned to the Lord” (Acts 11:20-24).

Let’s go with the word: “Is not my word like fire, says the Lord, like a hammer shattering rock?” (Jeremiah 23:29).

Let’s go together and without competition: It was as the apostles gathered together in prayer that they experienced the very first Pentecost—and the beginning of worldwide evangelization. As Paul noted, “Some preach Christ from motives of envy and rivalry, others do so out of good will. . . . What of it? All that matters is that in any way . . . Christ is being proclaimed. That is what brings me joy” (Philippians 1:15-18).
Let’s also go with courage: “I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God leading everyone who believes in it to salvation” (Romans 1:16).

But today, more than anything else, let’s go with urgency! We are heralds of Christ, heralds of salvation. In ancient times, the news of a victory was carried by a messenger, a trained runner who sometimes ran himself to death to bring the good news as quickly as possible. “How wonderful it is to see a messenger coming across the mountains, bringing good news, the news of peace! He announces victory and says to Zion, ‘Your God reigns’” (Isaiah 52:7).

The World Is Waiting. “A reliable messenger is refreshing to the one who sends him, like cold water in the heat of harvest time” (Proverbs 25:13). We have very little time. Tens of thousands will die today without having heard of Christ, without coming to know their heavenly Father. If we work urgently, their numbers will be less and the number of the saved will grow. The Father’s house will be filled—and the Father will be pleased that his Son did not die in vain.

So take off! Shoot for the stars! Shoot for the heights of holiness! And take as many as you can along for the ride. I’ll see you when we get there! I’ll see you in glory! And if you bring along a greater crowd than I do, I will only be delighted!

For now: Go! Go with urgency! There’s a whole world waiting to be evangelized, waiting for you. Go, chosen herald of Jesus Christ! Run with urgency! Run to win! No one ever had a greater opportunity or carried better news—the good news that Jesus Christ is with us, freeing and sanctifying us until the end of time!

22 posted on 07/26/2002 4:59:21 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
Very inspiring! Sometimes we get so wrapped up in the day-to-day struggles in the Faith that we forget the essential reason for it all. Thanks!
24 posted on 07/26/2002 6:37:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: All; JMJ333
An evangelization/conversion story from another thread."

My friend PA [who is 72 today!] has a conversion story he shared with me, and wanted me to pass along:

Please keep our family in your prayers, always. Michelle, we have experienced two conversions to Holy Mother Church. One was our beautiful daughter-in-law Kim. She is a Cambodian that escaped her country and fell in love with our son Patrick Joseph. She always envied Pat's peace at Holy Mass. She was having a problem at her work and would go to their local parish and sit in on rosaries and other various prayers that they did at this wonderfuly parish. A wonderful nun noticed that Kim attended many of these prayer groups. She also noticed that on Sunday, Kim never went to Holy Communion with Patrick. This wonderful and observant nun confronted Kim one day and said, "Dear Sister, What is your name and why do you not go to Communion?" "Dearest Reverend Sister, I am a Budist and I am not a Catholic." The sister said, "Kim, you have been touched by the Holy Spirit and you shine in the eyes of God. I will sign you up with the next class. Michelle, to make a long story short, Mary and I were the God Parents for Kim. A lovely lady in the parish stood up for her for Conformation. And we all witnessed her First Holy Communion. Seven of our eight children and I cannot tell you how many grandchildren were there.

Isn't that great?? =)

3 posted on 7/27/02 10:55 PM Pacific by JMJ333

25 posted on 07/28/2002 8:39:06 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: ultima ratio; Bud McDuell
Evangleization Ping!

A “Sign of God’s Love”
Papal Teaching on the Call to Evangelize

God is opening before the Church the horizons of a humanity more fully prepared for the sowing of the Gospel. I sense that the moment has come to commit all of the Church’s energies to a new evangelization. . . . No believer in Christ, no institution of the Church can avoid this supreme duty: to proclaim Christ to all peoples.
—Pope John Paul II, Mission of the Redeemer, 3

We cannot be content when we consider the millions of our brothers sisters, who like us have been redeemed by the blood of Christ, but who live in ignorance of the love of God. For each believer, as for the entire Church, the missionary task must remain foremost, for it concerns the eternal destiny of humanity and corresponds to God’s mysterious and merciful plan.
— Pope John Paul II, Mission of the Redeemer, 86

The missionary is a person of charity. In order to proclaim to all his brothers and sisters that they are loved by God and are capable of loving, he must show love toward all, giving his life for his neighbor. The missionary is the “universal brother,” bearing in himself the Church’s spirit, her openness to and interest in all peoples and individuals, especially the least and poorest of his brethren. As such, he overcomes barriers and divisions of race, cast or ideology. He is a sign of God’s love in the world—a love without exclusion or partiality.
—Pope John Paul II, Mission of the Redeemer, 89

For the Church, the first means of evangelization is the witness of an authentically Christian life, given over to God in a communion that nothing should destroy and at the same time given to one’s neighbor with limitless zeal. As we said recently to a group of lay people, “Modern man listens more willingly to witnesses than to teachers, and if he does listen to teachers, it is because they are witnesses.”
—Pope Paul VI, On Evangelization in the Modern World, 41

26 posted on 07/28/2002 8:44:14 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation

An Interview with Billy Donovan

“Coach D”
An Interview with Billy Donovan

TWAU: What can you tell us about your early years?

Billy Donovan:
My two sisters and I grew up in New York. We were a strong Catholic family who went to church together every Sunday. My dad also brought me to church on a regular basis just to talk to God. He was always telling me about the importance of faith.
My sisters and I really admired our parents. We admired the sacrifices they made for us and the way they were always challenging us to tackle our work head-on. They were very honest, straightforward people. They never deceived us or misled us, but were always truthful and plainspoken.

They were also very clear in telling us that we would face adversities in our lives. Things don’t always go the way we want them to, but it’s the way we handle these adversities that determines the kind of people we will be.

TWAU: What can you tell us about the way your parents shaped your spiritual outlook?

Billy Donovan: As I mentioned earlier, my Dad made it a point to take me to church on a regular basis. Sometimes he took me just so I could be with him when he went to pray. At other times, he asked me to turn to God and pray. This was especially true when I would be going through a difficult time in my life.

We didn’t have a formal time for family prayer, but Dad did make sure we thanked God for all the blessings he had given us, especially for our family. It was the witness of my parents’ faith—shown mostly through their leadership and their love—that had the greatest impact on me. Now that I have children of my own, I only hope that I can do for them what my parents did for me.

TWAU: How did you get into basketball?

Billy Donovan: For a number of years, my dad was my coach in the local CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) basketball league, so he coached me all the time. By the time I reached fifth grade, I had fallen in love with the game. It was the only sport I wanted to play.

I loved basketball, but I wasn’t a superstar. I was the kind of player who had to work extra hard. As I got older, my coaches saw my willingness to work at it and so they took time for me, both during practice and after everyone else had gone home. They helped me take my limited talents to new heights.

These men were a great witness of generosity and kindness to me. They taught me how to be focused on a mission. They expected every member of the team to do their best for the entire practice. If it was a two-hour practice, then we were expected to spend all two hours doing the very best that we could.

TWAU: How did you get into coaching?

Billy Donovan: After I completed my education at Providence College, I went to work on Wall Street as a stockbroker. I must tell you that it wasn’t much fun at all. In 1989, I decided to make a career change. I called Rick Pitino, who coached me at Providence and was then working at the University of Kentucky, and told him that I wanted to get into coaching. At first, he tried to discourage me, but when he saw how passionate I was about the game, he hired me to be his graduate assistant. I worked with Rick for the next five years. Then, in 1996 I accepted the head coaching job at Marshall University. Two years later, I accepted the job as head coach of the University of Florida.

As I look back on this path from a spiritual standpoint, I can see that God gave me a passion and a talent for basketball and then led me into coaching. He has given me this opportunity, and in my heart I know that I have a special responsibility which goes beyond coaching. I have a responsibility to help young people have faith in God and to put Christ in their lives. At some point, every young person will face some kind of adversity. I want to tell them that the one thing that will help them get through these challenging times is faith.

As a coach, I think it’s critical that my players trust me. They have to believe that I know what it takes to win. They also have to believe that I am helping them grow as individuals, not just as basketball players. I strive to build a personal relationship with each of my players. I encourage them to come into my office and feel free to talk to me about basketball issues, girlfriend issues, school, or anything else. I want my players to say, “Billy Donovan isn’t just my coach, he also cares about me as a person.”

TWAU: What role does God play in your coaching?

Billy Donovan: God plays a major role. There are many times when I feel that Christ is using me to talk to the players. For instance, I tell them that we are on this team because God gave us the opportunity to be here. I tell them that God is in control of everything—of my ability to coach and their ability to play—and that we need to put our faith and trust in him.

I don’t pray for “wins.” I pray that our lives can be in harmony with God and with the way the Bible tells us to live. I pray for wisdom, knowledge, and strength. I ask God to give my team a good work ethic so we can do our best in preparing for each game and in playing the game. If this leads to a victory, then so be it.

TWAU:
So, what about your family? How do you balance work and home, and what role does God play in your family?

Billy Donovan:
Coaching isn’t the easiest profession for a husband and father to have. I don’t want to get so caught up in my work that I neglect the ones I love the most. I always try to spend quality time with each member of my family. When I’m home I spend as much time as I can with them and try not to let work get in the way.

Spiritually, I want my kids to understand that we live in an imperfect world. We’re all going to sin and make mistakes, but I want my family to know that we don’t have to live in the guilt of sins. The best thing God did for us was to send his Son, Jesus, to die for our sins and save us so that we could be with him in heaven. I want my children to know how much Jesus loves them.

I pray that as my children grow older they will freely accept Jesus into their lives. I know that God will provide the opportunity for this to happen, but I also know that my children have to make a personal decision when the opportunity presents itself. Our family is young. As our kids grow older, they will have to make their own choices. For now, my wife Christine and I need to show them how important Jesus is to us, just as my parents did with me.

TWAU: Can you tell us a bit about what happened to you and Christine a year and a half ago?

Billy Donovan: In October of 2000, when Christine was nine months pregnant with our fourth child, she became concerned because all of a sudden, she wasn’t feeling any movement from the baby. A few days later, our daughter Jacqueline was stillborn. It was the most devastating experience we ever went through. I can’t begin to explain what Christine was feeling. She had carried Jacqueline within her for so long. For me, it was very hard to accept. I know Jacqueline is in a better place, but not having her with us really hurt.

When I asked, “Why?” my mind raced. Was it because I wasn’t a good person? Did I do something to offend or upset God? Is God doing something drastic to get my attention? In hindsight, I don’t believe any of that stuff now. We will never know why our daughter died. We would love to have Jacqueline with us and to watch her grow and develop, but for some reason God wanted her with him. This is the way we look at it. Maybe Jacqueline’s not being here is the best thing for her.

What happened to Jacqueline affected my outlook on life. I saw how fragile life could be. I saw how we are here on earth for only a short time. I saw how God wanted me to use every second of my life to do the best job that I could with my family, with the players and coaches, and in my life in general.

I’ll never forget what it felt like for Christine and me to tell our kids—ages eight, six, and three—that their baby sister wouldn’t be coming home. It was very painful and yet, I believe that our great loss will bring us closer together as a family and closer to God.

TWAU: What advice would you give our readers?

Billy Donovan: I want people to know that God is good, all of the time. Sometimes we can’t explain things. Sometimes we have severe problems to face, like divorce, prolonged sickness, or the loss of a job. In those times, the only thing that will get us through is faith.
Faith is believing without seeing. We have the Bible. We know that God is with us. We believe that he will provide the means to get us through every adversity. The Bible says that God won’t give us something that we can’t handle. Our faith and our relationship with Christ will carry us through each day.

At the same time, we have to carry our share of the load. I want to encourage everyone to try their best, no matter where they are in life. We have to try to treat one another with the same kind of respect and compassion that we would like to receive ourselves. Isn’t that what Jesus taught us to do?

Finally, we all need to try and reach out to others and “coach” them. Perhaps at your office, or maybe as a Little League coach, or maybe in music. God wants us to share our talents and help others. If it weren’t for my parents and a few good coaches who went out of their way to help me, I doubt that I’d be where I am today.

28 posted on 07/28/2002 9:00:08 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
Great Thread -- bumping for later!
34 posted on 09/17/2002 6:12:48 PM PDT by el_chupacabra
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