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Thousands Expected at Special Celebrations of St. Mary of Magdala
Future Church ^ | July 2002

Posted on 07/13/2002 4:59:50 PM PDT by NYer

On January 15 the U.S. Bishops conference passed a regulation prohibiting preaching by lay ministers "at the moment reserved for the homily." Since over 82% of all paid lay ministers are women, the new regulation effectively silences women's voices in Sunday worship.

In June, 600 Catholics in the Indianapolis diocese sent a petition to the U.S. Bishops meeting in Dallas asking them to rescind the regulation. They organized after Indianapolis Bishop Daniel Buechlein' sought to reverse a long standing practice permitting lay ministers to preach after the proclamation of the Gospel.

On July 22, nearly 200 groups in the U.S. and worldwide plan special celebrations of the Feast of St. Mary of Magdala in parishes, convents, Catholic schools, private homes and small faith communities. The celebrations are especially designed to encourage female preaching and presiding in Catholic settings.

"Women's preaching voice is needed in the Church. If the male apostles had silenced Mary of Magdala, we would never have known about the Resurrection of Jesus," said Sr. Christine Schenk project coordinator and executive Director of FutureChurch. "Thankfully, they welcomed her preaching the good news. Our Bishops today should do no less," she continued.

Spearheaded by FutureChurch and Call to Action, celebrations will be held in the United States, Canada, Kenya, Guatemala, Great Britain, and Australia and will attract between 30 and 300 people at each location, according to local organizers.

St. Mary of Magdala was a strong leader, a close companion of Jesus and the first to witness the Resurrection. In the past, she was mistakenly believed to be a prostitute or public sinner. Scripture scholars and experts on related Christian writings now believe she was confused with other women of the gospels. As a result, this saint was much maligned.

"It is especially important for Catholics to celebrate this great woman of faith this year when it is so clear that church needs the nurturing witness and prophetic voice of women," said Linda Pieczynski, spokesperson for Call to Action. "If women and mothers had been integrated into our Church's decision making structures and given preaching voice we would not be in the terrible situation we are in today."

"St. Mary of Magdala symbolizes the significant position of women in the early Church and she now stands as a beacon for women in the Catholic Church." said Schenk. "Presently women comprise 82 percent of all lay people and religious employed as parish ministers, yet none have a voice in the governing of the Church."

"Women Christians are now able to retrieve a sense of their own history," said Pieczynski, "Celebrating and learning about Jesus' remarkable inclusion of women despite the strong cultural prohibitions of the time can inspire all of us to redouble our efforts to end the systemic inequality of women in the Church and to work in behalf of the marginalized."

The recommended format for the celebration consists of a presentation by a biblical scholar explaining recent findings about St. Mary of Magdala's discipleship, followed by a prayer service at which a woman leader presides.

FutureChurch can provide contact details for local spokespersons at many of the events.


TOPICS: General Discusssion
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1 posted on 07/13/2002 4:59:50 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; Aliska; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
FutureChurch can provide contact details for local spokespersons at many of the events.

Heads up, catholic freepers! Future Church is aligned with that other extremist group, Call To Action.

Thought you might want to know what is planned for next Sunday!

St. Mary of Magdala was a strong leader, a close companion of Jesus and the first to witness the Resurrection. Absolutely true!

In the past, she was mistakenly believed to be a prostitute or public sinner.

Huh???? One more classic example of history being rewritten to suit the mood of a PC group. The words, "Go and sin no more" have no reference point to these radical groups so they must rewrite the gospel.

2 posted on 07/13/2002 5:12:52 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
From Ohio. Need I say more?

FutureChurch
15800 Montrose Avenue
Cleveland, Ohio 44111 USA
Phone: 216.228.0869 | Fax: 216.228.4872
E-mail: info@futurechurch.org

I wonder what Bible they are using to make such erroneus statements.

3 posted on 07/13/2002 5:56:06 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Diago
bump (with regret)
4 posted on 07/13/2002 6:34:10 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
They have to re-vamp EVERYthing about the Church. Why on earth rename the poor lady? She has a name. Somehow - in their re-tooled world - "of Magdala" is better than "Magdalene". Think of all the women named Madeleine who were cheated out of being named Madela or Magdala. The horror of it all.

(P.S. there will be way less than the estimated "30 to 300" at each event. More like "8 to 100" at each event. They ain't gots no following. I have been to a few of their functions - spying/curious who these folks are - and there are so few people who willing to sacrifice for a church that considers everything to be relative - as these poor fools do)

5 posted on 07/13/2002 7:13:09 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Salvation; Siobhan; eastsider; Romulus; Askel5
Check out post #3. The FutureChurch address is actually the same as a westside Catholic church. You may want to e-mail the pastor:

St. Mark Church
15800 Montrose Ave.
Cleveland, OH 44111
Rectory (216) 226-7577
E-mail: doughk@aol.com
Rev. Doug Koesel, Pastor

http://www.cleveland.catholicnet.com/parish/stmark/

Bishop Anthony Pilla
rtayek@dioceseofcleveland.org
phone: (216) 696-6525 ex.4460 or (800) 869-6525 (in-state long distance).
8 posted on 07/14/2002 5:33:30 AM PDT by Diago
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To: kiltmaker
I say again: "Magdalene" is how she is known - and it means "of Magdala".

It would be an exercise of change for the sake of change (and pointless) to rename Theresa of Avila
"Theresa Avilene".

Just so, it is an exercise in change for the sake of change (and pointless) to rename Mary Magdalene "Mary of Magdala".

Virtually all people who are historical figures of long long ago have certain names that stick, even if others may have been used during that person's lifetime.

Your three theories are wishful revisiionism par excellence.

9 posted on 07/14/2002 7:02:09 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: kiltmaker
Perhaps you also advocate changing the anelic doctor's name to Thomas of Aquino?


10 posted on 07/14/2002 7:34:46 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Diago
Thanks for the research, Diago.
11 posted on 07/14/2002 7:47:17 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: catherine of alexandria; Antoninus; sandyeggo; frogandtoad; saradippity; maryz; Jeff Chandler; ...
Please see Diago's post No. 8 above.

Please join me in FREEPING them till their server melts.

;^)

12 posted on 07/14/2002 8:08:09 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Thanks Siobhan. Also, if anyone has AOL I would be interested in knowing what this guy's pro-file says:





Check out post #3. The FutureChurch address is actually the same as a westside Catholic church. You may want to e-mail the pastor:

St. Mark Church
15800 Montrose Ave.
Cleveland, OH 44111
Rectory (216) 226-7577
E-mail: doughk@aol.com
Rev. Doug Koesel, Pastor

http://www.cleveland.catholicnet.com/parish/stmark/

Bishop Anthony Pilla
rtayek@dioceseofcleveland.org
phone: (216) 696-6525 ex.4460 or (800) 869-6525 (in-state long distance).



13 posted on 07/14/2002 8:45:03 AM PDT by Diago
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To: NYer
In the past, she was mistakenly believed to be a prostitute or public sinner.

Huh???? One more classic example of history being rewritten to suit the mood of a PC group. The words, "Go and sin no more" have no reference point to these radical groups so they must rewrite the gospel.

The only scriptural reference to the history of Mary Magdalene is that she was the one from whom seven devils were driven out. There is nothing that tells us she was a prostitute. Jesus said "Go and sin no more" to the unnamed adulteress who was going to be stoned.

16 posted on 07/14/2002 11:23:38 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: kiltmaker; Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; Aliska; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; ...
The Gnostic "Gospel of Philip" (unearthed at Nag Hammadi) refers to Miriam as "koinonos", or "companion, consort or partner." The "Gospel of Mary" (also found at Nag Hammadi) describes the conflict between Miriam and Peter, and is illuminating of the source of the Pauline church's attitude against women.

The beginnings of Gnosticism have long been a matter of controversy and are still largely a subject of research. The more these origins are studied, the farther they seem to recede in the past. Whereas formerly Gnosticism was considered mostly a corruption of Christianity, it now seems clear that the first traces of Gnostic systems can be discerned some centuries before the Christian Era.

The Gnostics developed an astounding literary activity, which produced a quantity of writings far surpassing contemporary output of Catholic literature. They were most prolific in the sphere of fiction, as it is safe to say that three-fourths of the early Christians romances about Christ and His disciples emanated from Gnostic circles. Besides these -- often crude and clumsy -- romances they possessed what may be called "theosophic" treatises and revelations of a highly mystical character.

The Nicolaites possessed "some books under the name of Jaldabaoth", a book called "Nôria" (the mythical wife of Noe), prophecy of Barcabbas, who was a soothsayer among the Basilidians, a "Gospel of the Consummation", and a kind of apocalypse called "the Gospel of Eva" (Epiph., Adv. Haer., xxv, xxvi; Philastr., 33). The Ophites possessed "thousands" of apocrypha, as Epiphanius tells us; among these he specially mentions: "Questions of Mary, great and small" (some of these questions are perhaps extant in the Pistis Sophia); also many books under the name of "Seth", "Revelations of Adam", Apocryphal Gospels attributed to Apostles; an Apocalypse of Elias, and a book called "Genna Marias". Of these writings some revelations of Adam and Seth, eight in number, are probably extant in an Armenian translation, published in the Mechitarist collection of the Old-Testament apocrypha (Venice, 1896).

For a more thorough reading on Gnosticism - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA

17 posted on 07/14/2002 3:05:06 PM PDT by NYer
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To: kiltmaker
I point out that the third theory you carelessly (or deliberately?) listed is actually a garbled admixture of three diverse and very seperate theories. It was the "magdal"/pillar one that I actually had in mind when writing my reply (which your renaming of her obliterates, by the way).

By the way, Pope Gregory did not preach about the pillar concept. He actually pointed out Mary's extreme sinfulness and later redemption as a follower of Christ (pointing out that converts have great hope even if they are great sinners given that a prostitute might even end up as Jesus' close friend). (You call this "Mary of Bethany"). With this idea I have no quarrel.

Having said all that, no Catholic believes (and doctrine never was) that all words uttered by a pope are infallible.

In any event, your revisionist slip is showing. It is dragging behind you and is all muddy and tattered.

18 posted on 07/14/2002 6:33:23 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: kiltmaker
And one more thing, when you take a well-known person and then gie them a new name, you confuse people. That is all you are trying to do. Change the name and then you get to change the story. Some folks fall for it. If you want to win converts by such trickery, so much the worse for you.
19 posted on 07/14/2002 6:35:59 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Diago; Siobhan; Polycarp; Notwithstanding; NYer
doughk@aol.com's profile...

Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Sex: Male
Marital Status: Single, 6'4", 245
Hobbies: golf, sports, wrestling, music, card playing, etc.

Does this sound like a priest to you???
20 posted on 07/14/2002 7:12:43 PM PDT by Antoninus
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