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Let's all pray for the intercession of Torquemada in this current crisis.
none-too-soon | Polycarp's IMHO

Posted on 06/29/2002 12:17:23 PM PDT by Polycarp

Tomás de Torquemada

Torquemada was my second choice for a screen name.

Maybe its time to bring forward his cause for canonization?

Let's all pray for the intercession of Torquemada in this current crisis. Any time the bishops mention the words homosexuality and/or pederasty as root causes of the current crisis (with the obvious exception of Bruskiewiecz, with whom Truthfulness does not require such extraordinary intercession) we will assume that de facto it is a miracle, and attribute it to his intercession.

Alas, I fear, based on these criteria, that our dear Torquemada shall languish among the ranks of the uncanonized faithful departed for a long long time...


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Tomás de Torquemada

First Grand Inquisitor of Spain, born at Valladolid in 1420; died at Avila, 16 September, 1498. He was a nephew of the celebrated theologian and cardinal, Juan de Torquemada. In his early youth he entered the Dominican monastery at Valladolid, and later was appointed prior of the Monastery of Santa Cruz at Segovia, an office which he held for twenty-two years. The Infanta Isabella chose him as her confessor while at Segovia, and when she succeeded to the throne of Castile in 1474 he became one of her most trusted and influential councillors, but refused all high ecclesiastical preferments, choosing to remain a simple friar.

At that time the purity of the Catholic Faith in Spain was in great danger from the numerous Marranos and Moriscos, who, for material considerations, became sham converts from Judaism and Mohammedanism to Christianity. The Marranos committed serious outrages against Christianity and endeavoured to judaize the whole of Spain. The Inquisition, which the Catholic sovereigns had been empowered to establish by Sixtus IV in 1478, had, despite unjustifiable cruelties, failed of its purpose, chiefly for want of centralisation. In 1483 the pope appointed Torquemada, who had been an assistant inquisitor since 11 February 1482, Grand Inquisitor of Castile, and on 17 October extended his jurisdiction over Aragon.

As papal representative and the highest official of the inquisitorial court, Torquemada directed the entire business of the Inquisition in Spain, was empowered to delegate his inquisitorial faculties to other Inquisitors of his own choosing, who remained accountable to him, and settled the appeals made to the Holy See. He immediately established tribunals at Valladolid, Seville, Jaen, Avila, Cordova, and Villa-real, and, in 1484, at Saragossa for the Kingdom of Aragon. He also instituted a High Council, consisting of five members, whose chief duty was to assist him in the hearing of appeals (see INQUISITION -- The Inquisition in Spain). He convened a general assembly of Spanish inquisitors at Seville, 29 November, 1484, and presented an outline of twenty-eight articles for their guidance. To these he added several new statutes in 1485, 1488, and 1498 (Reuss, "Sammlungen der Instructionen des spanischen Inquisitionsgerichts", Hanover, 1788). The Marranos found a powerful means of evading the tribunals in the Jews of Spain, whose riches had made them very influential and over whom the Inquisition had no jurisdiction. On this account Torquemada urged the sovereigns to compel all the Jews either to become Christians or to leave Spain. To frustrate his designs the Jews agreed to pay the Spanish government 30,000 ducats if left unmolested. There is a tradition that when Ferdinand was about to yield to the enticing offer, Torquemada appeared before him, bearing a crucifix aloft, and exclaiming: "Judas Iscariot sold Christ for 30 pieces of silver; Your Highness is about to sell him for 30,000 ducats. Here He is; take Him and sell Him." Leaving the crucifix on the table he left the room. Chiefly through his instrumentality the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492.

Much has been written of the inhuman cruelty of Torquemada. Llorente computes that during Torquemada's office (1483-98) 8800 suffered death by fire and 9,654 were punished in other ways (Histoire de l'Inquisition, IV, 252). These figures are highly exaggerated, as has been conclusively proved by Hefele (Cardinal Ximenes, ch. xviii), Gams (Kirchengeschichte von Spanien, III, II, 68-76), and many others. Even the Jewish historian Graetz contents himself with stating that "under the first Inquisitor Torquemada, in the course of fourteen years (1485-1498) at least 2000 Jews were burnt as impenitent sinners" ("History of the Jews", Philadelphia, 1897, IV, 356). Most historians hold with the Protestant Peschel (Das Zeitalter der Entdeckungen, Stuttgart, 1877, pp. 119 sq.) that the number of persons burnt from 1481 to 1504, when Isabella died, was about 2000. Whether Torquemada's ways of ferreting out and punishing heretics were justifiable is a matter that has to be decided not only by comparison with the penal standard of the fifteenth century, but also, and chiefly, by an inquiry into their necessity for the preservation of Christian Spain. The contemporary Spanish chronicler, Sebastian de Olmedo (Chronicon magistrorum generalium Ordinis Prædicatorum, fol. 80-81) calls Torquemada "the hammer of heretics, the light of Spain, the saviour of his country, the honour of his order".

BIBLIOGRAPHY. MOLÈNES, Torquemada et l'Inquisition (Paris, 1877); BARTHÉLEMY, Erreurs historiques (Paris, 1875), 170-204 FITA, La Inquisición de Torquemada in Boletin Acad. Hist., XXIII (Madrid, 1893), 369-434; TOURON. Histoire des hommes illustres de l'ordre de Saint Dominique, III (Paris, 1746). 543-68; TARRIDA DEL MARMOL, Les Inquisiteurs d'Espagne (Paris, 1807); RODRIGO, Historia verdadera de la Inquisición, II, III (Madrid, 1877); LEA, History of the Inquisition in Spain (London and New York, 1906-08). MICHAEL OTT Transcribed by Wm Stuart French, Jr. Dedicated to Eunice Phylona Smith Roberts

The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XIV Copyright © 1912 by Robert Appleton Company Online Edition Copyright © 1999 by Kevin Knight Nihil Obstat, July 1, 1912. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York

1 posted on 06/29/2002 12:17:23 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Siobhan; JMJ333; Domestic Church; Dumb_Ox; Aquinasfan; maryz; SoothingDave; Aunt Polgara; ...
Maybe I've just been too overwhelmed by all the scandal, but there is something about seeing priests and bishops in stockades doing public acts of penance, that seems strangely appealing. Go rent Mel Brooks "History of the World Part One" tonight for a little more irreverent levity than my pathetic attempts at humor may provide.


2 posted on 06/29/2002 12:22:35 PM PDT by Polycarp
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I have never heard of Torquemada before. Quite interesting. I would surmise that because his story involves the Inquisition is Spain, he has not been canonized.

And you are correct. Right now in America, we need a Bishop who could be "The American Hammer."

3 posted on 06/29/2002 12:25:11 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Polycarp
I can't believe you named the thread after Torquemada! It's great! Thanks for the laugh - we definately need it.
4 posted on 06/29/2002 12:32:30 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Salvation
I would surmise that because his story involves the Inquisition is Spain, he has not been canonized.

To tell the truth, I'm just being sarcastic. Maybe such an attempt at humor borders on being sacriligious, but I think gallows humor is just about the only kind of humor I can manage lately.

(A priest once told me that biting sarcasm is a sign of deep seated, probably unhealthy anger. So yeah, guilty as charged. I am really angry. With each new headline my anger becomes deeper and stronger. Gotta find some outlet for it--this is a start.)

5 posted on 06/29/2002 12:35:25 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
How long until we get 'No one expects the Spanish Inquisition ... ' ?
6 posted on 06/29/2002 12:37:07 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Polycarp
OK, so I am naive. But I still think we need and "American Hammer"; they could start in Ohio or Massachusetts.
7 posted on 06/29/2002 12:45:56 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Polycarp
(A priest once told me that biting sarcasm is a sign of deep seated, probably unhealthy anger. So yeah, guilty as charged. I am really angry. With each new headline my anger becomes deeper and stronger. Gotta find some outlet for it--this is a start.)

Polycarp, There is nothing wrong with righteous anger...in fact, these days there is something very much wrong with the lack of it in some quarters. These are livid days.
8 posted on 06/29/2002 12:57:59 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Polycarp
. . . the purity of the Catholic Faith in Spain was in great danger from the numerous Marranos and Moriscos, who, for material considerations, became sham converts from Judaism and Mohammedanism to Christianity.

"Material considerations" like not being executed?

9 posted on 06/29/2002 1:07:05 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Polycarp
Torquemada was a sadistic fruitcake who took pleasure out of pulling people's nails out of their fingers, beating them to death with whips and chains and burning them with hot irons(Lance Henriksen portrays him very accurately in a film version of The Pit and the Pendulum.) Many Christians and Jews died under the persecution he presided over, he deserves Hell.
10 posted on 06/29/2002 1:22:16 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: Commander8
I have always understood that no Christians were involved in the Spanish Inquisition,can you cite your sources?
11 posted on 06/29/2002 1:28:30 PM PDT by saradippity
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Question: "Why did the chicken cross the road?"

Answer from Tomas de Torquemada: Give me ten minutes with the chicken and I'll find out.

12 posted on 06/29/2002 2:32:51 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Commander8
I always learn my history from watching Hollywood movies too.
13 posted on 06/29/2002 2:34:04 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Polycarp; american colleen; livius; Diago; Salvation; maryz; Mike Fieschko; Domestic Church
Go rent Mel Brooks "History of the World Part One" tonight

Better yet, go rent The Name of The Rose based on the novel by Umberto Eco and starring Sean Connery. One monk has fallen (or was he pushed?) from a tower, another is found head first in a vat of pigs' blood. Are these the works of the devil, wonder the other monks. Is this the Apocalypse? Sean Connery plays a visiting Brother investigating the deaths. He discovers a secret library containing rare books considered lost to the world and dangerous to the Catholic faith. He must find a connection between the hidden literature and the mysterious killings before the Catholic Inquisitor and long time antagonist, burns innocent people at the stake!

Great movie!

14 posted on 06/29/2002 2:53:48 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
Oh Yeah! I rented it a few months ago - had a tough time finding it and went to three different rental places before I found it. It is one of my ALL TIME favs and I loved the book as well but was disappointed with "Foucault's Pendulum" - over my head, I think. Anyway, I ended up feeling nervous that next time I wanted to see "Name of the Rose", I wouldn't be able to find it at all, so I bought it from E-Bay and it ended up that the guy who sold it to me lived the next town over.

Did you watch the "Cadfael" series with Derek Jacobi on PBS? It was on the same story line and was fantastic.

16 posted on 06/29/2002 3:18:39 PM PDT by american colleen
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Welcome!

Torquemada does represent a sorry time in the history of the Church, as you stated. They don't call those years the "Dark Ages" for nothing.

17 posted on 06/29/2002 3:25:04 PM PDT by american colleen
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