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Atheism is stupid
Self | 6-28-02 | Matt Festa

Posted on 06/27/2002 9:54:14 PM PDT by Festa

Atheism is stupid---and has no foundation in science

"The only atheism is the denial of truth." Arthur Lynch

If one were to listen to the media, science and religion cannot go hand in hand. Science inevitably proves God cannot exist. Darwin and his crowd showed how life evolved from a simple organism into a complex series of rational animals which were able to organize themselves and think beyond anything else in the universe. But atheist’s and their elite allies have it all backwards: Science does not refute God, it proves God. Atheism is the stupid, unthinking and illogical way. God is logical, thinking, and makes sense. Let’s prove it.

The foundation of all life is contained in microscopic detailed instructions that thinking individuals can act on logically. DNA and/or RNA are these specific instructions upon which all information for a life form is based upon. In order to think logically a problem must first be presented:

I give you a one celled organism. First, I want you to assemble the ribosomes so that they can properly interpret the DNA. Now make the amino acids (CH2 for the laymen which is a part of the carboxyl group COOH). Seriously, go get the material. Devise a means by which these ribosomes and amino acids only act at a specified time without error to create an organism. (No not a human, just a simple organism). Now make sure that the cells can properly replicate themselves without fail and sustain themselves. Then watch it develop into a human.

“Ok so where is the dilemma” you ask. Here. I want you to do this, without intelligent thought at any point. You see something go wrong, you can’t interfere. Whether that means hiring a monkey to randomly type at the keyboard for billions of years. Do not enter a goal for the computer. Phrases like “create life” or “make a living organism” are forbidden. Simply set it up, press start and watch.

Wait! But this experiment will not work. There is no way that these organisms randomly developed on accident. I know. Sorry, find a way around it. Have you solved the problem that has taken mankind centuries to even touch upon? Ok, now subject your experiment to climate and other “x” factors and see what happens then.

Didn’t work? Thanks for helping to prove the existence of god. Oh, it did work? Thanks for helping prove the existence of God. You did help to change the code into a readable form. That required intelligent thought.

You see, atheism is actually stupid when it is thought out logically. The foundational problems inherit in creating any simple organism that it is simply impossible that a random accident caused it. Atheism is an untenable and stupid position because it says precisely that: it was all just a random accident.

Genius scientists such as Albert Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton all believed in the existence of God. (For the laymen out their, Einstein invented the theory of relativity and Sir Isaac Newton invented physics and Calculus (Yes an entire complex form of mathematics’ barely even touched upon until college: and even then only pathetically.) Atheists like to gloss over this fact. They also like to claim that religions are fanatical because they refuse to accept evolution into their teaching. This is a complete lie. The Catholic Church (along with many others) say that evolution is completely kosher with its teachings. No, atheism is fanatical because it simply refuses to recognize an inherit problem in science and since it cannot prove it, it refuses to use logic to explain it. They have not a single shred of evidence to prove their case.

The idea that scientists in general reject God because they are “smart” is the most absurd and indefensible argument ever heard. Sure there were some. But they didn’t think hard enough. For all the great things Darwin did, he was never a philosopher. He asked the question once (paraphrased) that some people are so dull as to think that everything was not created by a random accident, because to think such a thing is illogical. EXACTLY. Sir. Thomas Aquinas noted this almost centuries before Darwin, and said precisely, “it is illogical to think such a thing.”

It is.

If the earth was one degree more off its axis, we would have no seasons. If there were no Himalayan mountains, there could be no agriculture. If we were just a bit more close to the sun, life would be untenable. If there was a bit more nitrogen in the air, say bye bye. To believe that all of this was a random accident is an absurd blind leap of faith because it has no basis in fact, thought, or reasoning. It is more than fanatical belief.

What is even scarier is that these are the smart atheists. God help the dumb ones. Atheists try and claim the high ground when they have no basis to do such a thing. They rant about how they are being mistreated when they have to listen to “under god” during prayer when they haven’t even begun to think about whether or not He exists.

What are we hear for if not a purpose? Is everything simply a random accident? Fine, then I am stealing your 100 dollars. Why? Because I can and if I am smart enough, I can get away without any punishment. Hitler sure got away with a lot. How fair is it that in the end we both end up in the same way: as dust. Scary isn’t it. But this is the belief system of the atheists.

Atheism is an untenable and fanatical position. Many atheists are so blind they are blinded as to what they are blinded about. The next time you come across an atheist do two things, one ask him to use his brain a little more. Two, pray for him. Pray not because he doesn’t have a religion, but pray because his has one.


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To: laredo44
The rights of individuals

Is there anywhere to recover the ones we've lost?

61 posted on 06/28/2002 8:30:06 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Palmetto
I'll have to dig out my Non-Euclidian Geometry book, since it's been a bunch of years since I studied it. I can't remember any equations off the top of my head, but I do remember somehow ending up deriving maxwell's equations during one of our proofs, since it turns out that magnetic fields can be described as a series of lines are formed from two points(the poles), so when you derive the math you are actually describing the magnetic field--if you put in a factor for field strength(ie distance from the poles), you can derive the equations.

I'll post more examples later when I can get back to my books.

62 posted on 06/28/2002 8:39:31 AM PDT by The Enlightener
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To: Phaedrus; The Enlightener
Would like to hear more about this. Physicist, would you comment/can you confirm?

Can't say that I'm familiar with that one. Perhaps he's thinking of Euclid's postulate that parallel lines never meet (or meet at infinity, same thing). Dispensing with that one led Georg Riemann to devise differential geometry (AKA "Riemannian geometry"), which forms the basis of general relativity and several other useful formalisms.

63 posted on 06/28/2002 8:40:29 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Festa

Once, a reporter asked noted physist Albert Einstein if he believed in God.

The great scientist stopped for a moment and thought about it and answered;

"Yes! Yes I do believe in God and a life after death..."

The reporter was stunned. And asked a follow up question.

"How can you possibly believe in something that is not scientifically proven? It is just hard for me to see a man such as yourself saying this..."

Einstein Smiled. He responded:

"...There is existance after death. You see, nothing in this universe can be destroyed. It can only change form..."


64 posted on 06/28/2002 8:41:39 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: Festa
If the earth was one degree more off its axis, we would have no seasons. If there were no Himalayan mountains, there could be no agriculture. If we were just a bit more close to the sun, life would be untenable. If there was a bit more nitrogen in the air, say bye bye.

"You see, there's no question whether Grape Nuts are right for you. It's whether you're right for Grape Nuts." --Wilford Brimley

65 posted on 06/28/2002 8:48:07 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Festa
Atheism is not stupid. It is absolutely, perfectly rational and logical.

That should be the first clue that something is wrong with it--none of the rest of the universe is absolutely, perfectly rational and logical.

As such, atheism is a product of the human intellect and specifically avoids the 'Holy'.

It's like the story of the guy looking for his car keys under the street lamp when asked where he lost them, he says: "Somewhere up the street, but the light is over here." God is in the place that cannot be illuminated by human thought.

As such, I am disgusted with seeing all kinds of crappy pseudo-science to somehow justify and prove God and faith through intellect. There is no reason for it, it is a waste of time and creates bad science.

Faith must only exist in spite of all evidence either for it or against it!

67 posted on 06/28/2002 8:58:30 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Billy_bob_bob
That is to say that I do not subscribe to any of the world religions. I've looked into them, I've wanted to join and become "one of the flock", but every time I run up into questions that don't make sense to me and that there are no answers to.

Do you really want a God that Billy Bob Bod can intellectually grasp in His entirety?

Do me a favor, will you? Get together with the preachers, the rabbis, the ministers, the Buddhists, the Hindi's and the Muslims, and come to some agreement on what it is I'm supposed to worship.

First start by finding all that isn't worthy of worship, in what remains, you'll have an answer.

68 posted on 06/28/2002 9:04:57 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: chookter
Faith must only exist in spite of all evidence either for it or against it!

Bingo. Reason and faith are orthogonal to each other.

Unlike the faithful, I myself don't know where I lost my keys. Looking under the streetlamps seems the best approch for me.

69 posted on 06/28/2002 9:06:17 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: chookter
Atheism is not stupid. It is absolutely, perfectly rational and logical.

Atheism is the abscence of belief in deities. It is nothing more than that. It is an empty set, a descriptor for the lack of a property, it is to religion as bald is to hair colour.
70 posted on 06/28/2002 9:08:08 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: vannrox
Uh, do you have a citation for this alleged exchange?
71 posted on 06/28/2002 9:09:37 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: theprogrammer
The atheist denies the existence of God.

Of which god is existence being denied? You might as well claim a denial of the existence of "xwert". Without someone who holds belief in "xwert" to define it, the letter string has no meaning.
72 posted on 06/28/2002 9:12:13 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Physicist
Bingo. Reason and faith are orthogonal to each other.

Actually, I don't believe they have any identifiable relationship to each other at all; Neither in harmony nor opposition; Neither precluding nor enforcing the other; utterly nonlinear.

Unlike the faithful, I myself don't know where I lost my keys. Looking under the streetlamps seems the best approch for me.

If you do happen to find them, keep looking.

73 posted on 06/28/2002 9:14:03 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Dimensio
Atheism is the abscence of belief in deities. It is nothing more than that. It is an empty set, a descriptor for the lack of a property, it is to religion as bald is to hair colour.

Sure, and it makes perfect, rational sense to the human mind. It's probably the only thing that makes perfect, rational sense. That fact alone should arouse suspicion...

74 posted on 06/28/2002 9:16:52 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Wondervixen
...isn't the United States of America supposed to be about MAJORITY RULE?

No, America is about rights that individuals have just by virtue of being human, independent of government, which government cannot take away from them, even if the majority thinks it should.

76 posted on 06/28/2002 9:19:32 AM PDT by jejones
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To: chookter
Sure, and it makes perfect, rational sense to the human mind. It's probably the only thing that makes perfect, rational sense.

Not accepting a proposition without evidence for it is rational, I'll admit...though the "not accepting" part only comes into play when the proposition is presented. An atheist lacks belief in all deities, including those that have never been presented. Are you saying that it would be better to believe in something about which a person has never even heard? How would someone even go about believing in something without being informed of the concept?

That fact alone should arouse suspicion...

Why? What is wrong with being rational? What is wrong with not accepting unsupported assertions and not believing things of which you've never even heard at all?
77 posted on 06/28/2002 9:21:07 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Billy_bob_bob
you mean non-religious. You do not have to accept any religion to believe in God. All you have to do is think logically, use faith (based on fact and reason), and come to the conclusion. Ignore all the religions for now. Just focus on whether God exists.
78 posted on 06/28/2002 9:21:10 AM PDT by Festa
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To: dennisw
why did I mess up in the essay and say good where I meant to say God?
79 posted on 06/28/2002 9:23:32 AM PDT by Festa
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To: BMCDA
ROTFLMAO That takes in periods when we feel like idiots also, doesn't it?
80 posted on 06/28/2002 9:25:31 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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